The Best People with Nicolle Wallace

Heather Cox Richardson finds clarity in retrospection. “What we learn in the future will change the way we think about the past,” says the author and Boston College history professor. Reflecting on the devolution of political ideology in a post-MAGA United States, the author of the “Letters from an American” Substack series brings in lessons from American history to help contextualize the current state of the nation ahead of the midterms. She draws from an idea that Americans seem to have “lost” since Reagan’s presidency — a determination to mend the government to fit the needs of its constituents. As Election Day looms and President Trump’s priorities seem more and more out of touch with the needs of everyday Americans, Richardson encourages us to exercise the right to change our government when it no longer works to serve us: “The Constitution literally begins, ‘we the people,’ and we have the right to vote. Instead of being afraid to vote, we should make them afraid to stop us from voting.”

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Symone Sanders Townsend and Eugene Daniels earned their stripes in different worlds before joining forces: Sanders Townsend as a former campaign communications advisor and Counsel to the Vice President and Daniels a lifelong journalist and former president of the White House Correspondents Association. Yet, they arrive at today’s polarized political climate similarly: hardened, but hopeful. Believing that unity is the way to combat a polarized political climate, the hosts of MS NOW’s “Clock It” podcast join Nicolle to discuss all things midterms: El-Sayed's low polling with Black voters, Talarico fever in Texas, and could the senate seat in Mississippi... be in play for Democrats? All three MS NOW colleagues talk about the best version of America they’ve seen under Trump 2.0, exemplified by the Minneapolis ICE protests and the “No Kings” marches — times where we rely on community to propel us forward. “There is a world where selfishness is not the way you have to operate in your daily lives” says Daniels. “The only way to do that is to hold hands and jump together.” And Sanders Townsend agrees: “We're the people, it is literally on us,” she says. “History is gonna record that we made a difference.”

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Dana Bash has covered enough elections to know how consequential this one could be. Coming off the release of her new book, “The Elections That Changed the World,” the host of Inside Politics and co-anchor of CNN’s “State of the Union” talks to Nicolle about some of America’s most pivotal moments, reflecting on her experience covering presidencies before President Trump polarized the two-party system beyond recognition. “What makes me sad about the Trump era,” she says, “is that my son doesn’t understand that this is not the way politics used to be.” The longtime friends reminisce about a different political climate, recalling John McCain’s emotional 2008 concession speech from their different vantage points: Nicolle backstage with the campaign and Bash covering it for CNN. They also discuss the unique challenge of holding power to account in the Trump era, such as how Bash prepared for her contentious interview with RFK Jr., and look ahead to the upcoming midterms in a time where every election feels like “the most consequential” of our lifetime.

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Doc Rivers knows ball. The former NBA player and title-winning coach (Boston Celtics, Los Angeles Clippers, Milwaukee Bucks) believes that America is overdue for a true reckoning — and that the moment is now. “We're having more difficult conversations now than we ever had,” he tells Nicolle. Drawing parallels between basketball and the nation that built the game, Rivers likens America in the second Trump presidency to a divided team, encouraging us to fiercely participate in democracy in order to save it. “You have to try to put yourself out to make the team better as a whole,” he says. Now retired and removed from the day-to-day grind of the court, Rivers reflects on attacks on the press, a lackluster education system and threats to voting rights ahead of the midterms. But given all that, he makes it a point to stay outspoken — and hopeful. “I always think this country survives everything,” he says. “And it's going to survive this — but we gotta do it together.”

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Aaron Sorkin is acutely aware of the criticism that his work is too optimistic — and with “The Social Reckoning,” he’s doubling down. “I just like when an audience feels two inches taller than they did when they walked in,” he tells Nicolle. The Oscar-and-Emmy award-winning writer and director has inspired countless political hopefuls with “The West Wing,” including Nicolle, who envisioned a place for herself in the White House after watching Allison Janney’s portrayal of Press Secretary C.J. Cregg. Sorkin follows up 2010’s “The Social Network” by assessing Facebook in the age of Trump: telling the story of whistleblower Frances Haugen’s decision to release internal documents surrounding misinformation and potential harms from the platform, alongside a now older Mark Zuckerberg as he reckons with the power of the technology he’s created. Sorkin chose to intentionally release the movie prior to the upcoming midterms — knowing that, if there’s a moment for optimism, it’s right now.

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