The Stacking Benjamins Show
Joe Saul-Sehy and Josh ‘OG’ Bannerman, CFP

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- Three genuinely sharp financial minds sit down today and, one by one, admit to the same kind of dumb money moves everyone else makes. Not because they didn't know better. Because knowing better and doing better turn out to be two completely different skills, and your brain is very good at making bad ideas feel reasonable in the moment. This episode isn't about learning new investment tactics. It's about learning to recognize the exact moment your own mind starts working against you, and what to do about it before it costs you.
What You'll Walk Away With
The three specific flavors of overconfidence that combine into what one expert calls "a recipe for disaster"
Why "I'll wait until it comes back" is one of the most dangerous sentences an investor can say to themselves, and when it's actually true
The surprising reason financially literate people still make emotional money mistakes, according to research on an unrelated profession
A simple writing exercise that makes you far more likely to stick to your own financial plan
Why betting on what's familiar, your employer's stock, your home country's market, is quietly one of the riskiest things you can do
A martial-arts-inspired mental trick for turning your own biases into tools instead of traps
The real reason "this time is different" almost always feels true and is almost always the wrong conclusion to act on
Why This Matters Now
In your 40s, you've likely made enough financial decisions to have a track record, some smart, some you'd rather not revisit. The goal isn't to eliminate emotion from money; that's not realistic, and it's not even the point. It's to recognize the specific moments your gut is about to overrule your plan, and to have something in place, a rule, a person, a system, that catches you before it does. Confidence with money doesn't come from never being tempted to make a bad call. It comes from knowing exactly what you'll do when you are.
From the Basement
The crew's year-long trivia championship takes a wild turn with a Spanish treasure fleet question that somehow ends in someone getting bonus points for pure luck, which is a fittingly ironic way to close an episode all about how bad we are at judging our own luck.
Resources Mentioned
The Behavioral Investor by Daniel Crosby — second edition available for preorder
Afford Anything podcast — Paula Pant's show
Personal Finance for Long-Term Investors podcast — Jesse Cramer's show
See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info. Why Your Homeowners Insurance Bill Keeps Going Up (And What to Do About It) Special Episode SB1876
30/07/2026 | 54 minHomeowners insurance prices are up a whopping 24% since 2022. One in seven homeowners now has no insurance at all. In some parts of the country, companies aren't just raising rates -- they're refusing to write policies. Bob Litterman co-created the Black-Litterman model that the financial industry still uses to price risk, spent 23 years running risk at Goldman Sachs, and now chairs the Coalition for an Insurable Future. He joins Joe and OG on a special Thursday episode to explain what's actually happening, why it's not going to stop, and what you can do about it right now.
What You'll Walk Away With
Why the insurance market breaks down when probabilities stop being stable -- and how billion-dollar weather events went from three per year in the 1980s to 23 per year today
The domino chain: how rising insurance costs in one ZIP code can drive down home values, freeze bank lending, shrink local businesses, and quietly hollow out an entire community
Why this isn't 2008 -- and the one important way it's actually worse than what the mortgage crisis taught us
Why one in seven homeowners now carries no insurance at all -- and what that means for the next major weather event
The 100-year flood problem: why homes built to withstand a once-in-a-century event are now getting hit every five to ten years
What first-time homebuyers should ask that their realtor almost certainly won't bring up -- and why the insurance question is now as important as the mortgage rate
How to actually read your renewal letter: what to look for beyond the premium, what hidden changes insurance companies are legally required to disclose, and why your deductible may have quietly doubled
OG's Claude trick: how he uploaded both his old and new policy documents, asked for the differences, and found actionable savings plus a jewelry rider gap he didn't know he had
Why Bob says the real mispricing isn't in the insurance market -- it's in the pollution market -- and what that means for how this eventually gets resolved
The risk management reframe: why thinking about insurance is the wrong starting point, and what to think about instead
Why This Matters Now
This isn't an inflation blip. The risk is genuinely increasing, the models are being rewritten in real time, and the insurance companies pulling out of markets are the canary in the coal mine. The good news: there are specific things you can do right now -- at your house, with your policy, and in how you think about risk -- that most homeowners haven't done yet.
From the Basement
Bob Litterman joins Joe and OG on a special Thursday episode to walk through the home insurance crisis from the inside -- the pricing models, the domino chain, the reinsurance squeeze, and the difference between a tail event and the slow-moving sea level rise underneath it. OG's takeaway: upload both your old and new policy to Claude and ask it to find the differences before your next renewal. Doug arrives with flood insurance trivia tied directly to the episode content. The Coalition for an Insurable Future, a nonpartisan cross-industry group, made this episode possible. Stacking Benjamins received compensation for this episode.
Resources Mentioned
Coalition for an Insurable Future -- nonpartisan cross-industry group on climate and insurance risk; coalitionforaninsurablefuture.com
Black-Litterman Model -- referenced for Bob Litterman's background in risk pricing
Climate Central -- tracks billion-dollar weather events annually; climatecentral.org
National Flood Insurance Program -- referenced for the 1968 government backstop for flood risk; floodsmart.gov
See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.- Odds are good that part of your paycheck disappears into an account with the Fidelity name on it every two weeks. Almost nobody stops to ask who's actually on the other end of that relationship. The answer isn't a faceless Wall Street institution, it's one family that has quietly controlled a $15 trillion company for three generations, through boardroom near-mutinies, a succession fight that almost ended in the company being sold, and enough family drama to fill a book. It did, actually. Wall Street Journal reporter Justin Baer spent years uncovering it, and today he brings the whole story down to the basement.
What You'll Walk Away With
Why one of the biggest financial companies in America has never had a single outside shareholder, and what that's actually protected them from
The surprisingly personal origin story behind Fidelity's founder, and the market-crash lesson that shaped the entire company's philosophy
Why Fidelity almost missed the money market fund revolution, and the workaround that changed how everyday people access their cash
The near-sale that almost happened in 2005, and how close the company came to becoming something completely different
Why checking your 401k balance more often might actually be good for your financial decision-making, according to Fidelity's own research
How a family succession battle nearly pushed the current CEO out of the business entirely
A useful mental gut-check for figuring out how much of your "checking account cushion" should actually count as part of your emergency fund
Why This Matters Now
If you're in your 40s, there's a good chance you've had a relationship with Fidelity, Vanguard, or a similar company for two decades without ever really knowing how they work or who's behind them. That's not a knock on you, it's just how most financial relationships start: automatically, through a job, without much choice involved. Understanding the incentives and history behind the company holding your retirement money doesn't change your investing strategy overnight, but it does replace a vague, faceless trust with something more informed, and informed trust is a lot more durable than blind trust.
From the Basement
A conversation about $189 average dates turns into a surprisingly sharp point about not overspending to impress someone before you even know if it's a match, in relationships or business. And a basement community note about "hidden" emergency funds sitting in checking accounts sparks a genuinely useful reframe worth stealing for your own budget.
Resources Mentioned
House of Fidelity: The Rise of the Johnson Dynasty and the Company That Changed American Investing — Justin Baer's book on the Johnson family and Fidelity's history
Field Kit Finance — the all-in-one net worth, budgeting, and credit tracking tool mentioned in the sponsor break
See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info. The One Financial Conversation People Avoid (Plus a Discussion about Stress and Money) SB1874
28/07/2026 | 1 h 9 minThere are three words that quietly end up costing more than almost any bad investment: "he handles it." Not because delegating is wrong, but because somewhere between division of labor and total disengagement, a line gets crossed that most couples never notice until a crisis forces them to. This episode is about that line, and about the less obvious ways money stress shows up when it's not just a spreadsheet problem, it's a physical one. Jill Schlesinger and Kristy Talorico both join the show, and each brings something you didn't know you needed to hear.
What You'll Walk Away With
The real difference between splitting responsibilities and losing all visibility into your own financial life
A simple, low-stakes way to start a money conversation with a partner who's checked out, without triggering defensiveness
Why financial advisors dread meeting a client's "uninvolved" spouse for the first time after a death
What actually happens to your financial life if your money-handling spouse suddenly can't do it anymore
How financial stress physically changes your body, according to a major new health study
Why the standard advice to "just put more in your 401k" completely misses people who are financially struggling right now
The surprising first place financial counselors suggest looking before you take out any kind of loan
A behind-the-scenes look at how employers are (and aren't) using workplace benefits to actually help people
Why This Matters Now
In your 40s, you're often the connective tissue for your whole household's financial life, sometimes for a spouse, sometimes for aging parents, sometimes for kids just starting out. It's easy to assume that as long as someone in the relationship understands the money, everyone's fine. But real financial confidence means everyone involved has at least a working map of where things stand. This episode isn't about becoming an expert. It's about making sure "I don't really know" is never the answer when it matters most.
From the Basement
Doug's trivia question drags in an unexpected lesson about knowing what things actually mean, not just recognizing the name, which somehow ties together German car history and financial literacy in the same segment. Basement logic, but it works.
Resources Mentioned
Money Moves with Jill Schlesinger — Jill's new podcast with Mark Talercio
Jill on Money podcast — Jill Schlesinger's long-running personal finance show
"The Most Dangerous Words I Hear From Married Couples: 'He Handles It'" — the Kiplinger piece referenced in the episode
Brightside Financial Care — Kristy Talorico's company, financial care benefits for employers
Findhelp.org — the free navigation tool for local financial and hardship resources
See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.- There's a new bill in Washington that sounds like a fix but is really just a promise to eventually have a debate about one. That's not why this episode matters. What matters is that Social Security is suddenly everywhere in the headlines, and if you've been putting off understanding how your own claiming decision actually works, that's a gap that gets more expensive the longer it sits. This episode is the one to finally close it. No single mistake, no one hot take, just a real walkthrough of the claiming ages, the spousal rules, the survivor benefits, and the myths that trip people up most, so you can stop guessing and start deciding with confidence.
What You'll Walk Away With
Why the "estimated benefit" number on your Social Security account can be wildly wrong, especially if you're not planning to work until 67
The real reason waiting until 70 pays off, and why it has almost nothing to do with growth
A subtle, surprisingly common mistake that can quietly wreck a smart claiming strategy years after you made it
What actually happens to your benefit if your spouse passes away first, and how remarriage timing can change everything
Why the industries where workers never pay into Social Security create a completely different retirement math
The dollar threshold that can force you to pay back benefits you already claimed
A 2024 rule change that may directly affect certain public employees and hasn't gotten nearly enough attention
Why raising the retirement age matters a lot less than people assume, depending on how you actually want to retire
How a totally different tax, the Medicare surcharge, quietly rides along with your Social Security decisions
A quick true-or-false round that separates Social Security fact from the myths everyone repeats
Why This Matters Now
If you're in your 40s, Social Security can feel like something to figure out later, right up until a headline makes it feel urgent and confusing at the same time. The truth is, you don't need to predict what Congress will do. You need to understand the mechanics that are already in your control: when you claim, how you and a spouse coordinate, and how your own work history shapes the number. Get that right, and you turn a source of money stress into one less thing you have to worry about, freeing up mental space for the parts of your financial life you actually want to think about, like the next trip, not the next committee hearing.
From the Basement
Doug tests his trivia chops with a game built to separate fact from political fantasy, and OG gets fired up about something that has absolutely nothing to do with retirement, and everything to do with golf tickets. It's the reminder that even a deep dive into claiming strategy still comes with a little basement chaos along the way.
Resources Mentioned
The PROMISE Act, explained — CNBC's breakdown of the bipartisan bill and the 2032 trust fund deadline
Create your SSA.gov account — check your earnings history and benefit estimate
id.me login for SSA.gov — the identity verification step for your Social Security account
The Walt Disney Company: Walt's Era — Acquired podcast — the four-hour deep dive Doug referenced on Disney, Oswald the Rabbit, and protecting your name
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Named Best Personal Finance Podcast by Bankrate.com and Kiplinger — and the only podcast the Plutus Awards retired from competition after winning twice — The Stacking Benjamins Show is personal finance that doesn’t put you to sleep.Hosts Joe Saul-Sehy (former 16-year financial advisor, ex-WXYZ-TV “Money Man”) and Josh “OG” Bannerman, CFP (Certified Financial Planner, Bannerman Wealth) sit around the card table in Joe’s mom’s half-finished basement in Texarkana and talk money with the smartest guests in personal finance, investing, and behavioral economics. As Fast Company wrote, the show “strikes a great balance of fun and functional.”Every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday: expert guests, real headlines, listener questions, and Doug’s trivia. Topics include investing, retirement planning, budgeting, real estate, behavioral finance, taxes, and financial independence — for anyone who wants to be smarter about money without being talked down to.Subscribe to The 201 — the free newsletter that goes deeper than the show — at stackingbenjamins.com/201
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