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Joseph Conrad's Nostromo, widely considered his masterpiece, follows a fictional Latin American country torn apart by corruption and its uneasy dependence on foreign capital. Tyler and Richard Hanania picked it hoping to talk about something other than politics — a bit ironic, given Hanania's new book, Kakistocracy: Why Populism Ends in Disaster, is all about the stupidity of current politics. From early on, the two see the novel quite differently: Is its hero a rotten fraud or a flawed but decent man? Is Conrad quietly a classical liberal, or a tragedian who thinks every political ideology curdles into "folly and murder"? Is comparing regimes even the right way to read him at all?
The first half of the conversation stays close to the text, covering the novel's political backdrop, its deliberately scrambled timeline, the near-total absence of religion in Conrad's universe, Nostromo's own vanity and treatment of women, a close reading of the "folly and murder" passage, the Fredric Jameson claim that no Latin American author could have written this book, and their very different research methods for preparing. Then the conversation opens outward, moving through why Latin America has unusually high crime despite not being especially poor, Panama's surprising success story, Shakespeare's objective greatness, the state of media criticism after the AI boom, who on the populist right is actually worth reading, why conservative women hug and liberal women shake hands, what Hanania wants to write and learn next, and more.
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Recorded June 16th, 2026.
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Timestamps:
00:00:00 - Intro
00:01:18 - On the context of Nostromo
00:23:32 - On Nostromo's scrambled timeline
00:24:59 - On the absence of religion in Nostromo
00:27:15 - On romanticizing politics
00:30:14 - On writing about Latin America
00:34:18 - On reading Conrad's works
00:39:01 - On crime in Latin America
00:44:10 - On Shakespeare's objective greatness
00:49:05 - On the media after the AI boom
00:51:16 - On populism
01:00:00 - On what's next
01:02:30 - Outro

Roman Mars has built one of podcasting's great empires out of noticing things everyone else walks past. His show, 99% Invisible, has racked up over 500 million downloads telling stories about the unnoticed design choices that quietly shape how cities and objects work, from speed bump psychology and flag design to the shape of a good street sign. His TED Talk on vexillology (the study of flags) is so influential that it has reportedly spurred 250 to 300 municipal flag redesigns across the country, including in Pocatello, Idaho, a city he once publicly called out for having the worst flag in America. Tyler asked questions about nearly every visual surface of modern life, and Mars's answers keep circling back to the same tension: beauty and efficiency are often at odds, and most of what looks ugly to us is just a compromise we haven't yet learned to love.
Tyler and Roman discuss street signs, why classic cars were so much more distinctive than today's SUVs, Waymos, New Jersey jughandles, yellow streetlights, lane-stripe colors, why Houston keeps growing despite its lack of charm, whether any post-war American suburb is actually beautiful, the Chrysler Building's rocky reception, brutalism done right and wrong, Central Park as an urban miracle, what Jane Jacobs got wrong, e-bike lanes, Tokyo's bike-free transit model, the placelessness of global coffee shops, why the iPhone looks boring now, the ugliest country he's visited, his love for Australia's polymer notes, his soft spot for the dollar's "locked in amber" weirdness, underground power lines, how to warn future civilizations about nuclear waste, why highway signs lie to you about speed limits, the principles of a great city flag, the Pocatello redesign saga, his own studio, why 99% Invisible works precisely because it's audio-only, the most unusual habit behind his long productive career, and more.
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Recorded August 28th, 2026.
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Timestamps:
00:00:00 - Intro
00:01:08 - On urban and suburban design
00:21:55 - On phone design
00:24:36 - On the world's ugliest places
00:26:03 - On currency design
00:28:33 - On power lines, speed bumps, and nuclear warning signs
00:34:31 - On city flags
00:40:39 - On building 99% Invisible
00:45:06 - Outro

Liaquat Ahamed has spent years making central bankers into compelling characters. His 2009 book Lords of Finance won the Pulitzer Prize for its account of the bankers whose decisions helped cause the Great Depression; his new book, 1873: The Rothschilds, the First Great Depression, and the Making of the Modern World, tells a stranger story — a severe deflationary crisis that barely dented global growth but poisoned politics for a generation. Tyler pushes him hard on the central puzzle of those two books — why did one financial crisis derail the world, while another left growth almost untouched?
Tyler and Liaquat start with that puzzle before moving through Gladstone's startlingly self-interested bet on Egyptian bonds, Bismarck's role in destroying bimetallism and deflating the world economy for two decades, whether a global silver or symmetallic standard could have worked, Britain's fateful decision to re-peg the pound to gold in 1926, Hjalmar Schacht's transformation from the economist who stabilized Weimar's currency to opportunist collaborator with the Nazi regime, Montagu Norman's spiritualist beliefs, why the 1920s produced such a creative cultural moment, lessons from the IMF on Ireland's housing bubble and Pakistan's two dozen bailouts, what went wrong in the eurozone crisis, Britain's baffling modern stagnation, and finally to his own restless career and what he wants to write next.
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Recorded July 28th, 2026.
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Timestamps:
00:00:00 - Intro
00:01:13 - On 1873 vs. the Great Depression
00:15:32 - On bimetallism and the gold standard
00:21:32 - On the 1920s and Weimar hyperinflation
00:29:29 - On Ireland, Pakistan, and the Eurozone crisis
00:36:21 - On Liaquat's career and Ismaili Islam
00:44:37 - Outro

Luis Garicano has one of the more unusual résumés in economics: trained at the University of Chicago Booth School under Gary Becker, Kevin Murphy, and Sherwin Rosen, he left academia for a stint as a member of the European Parliament before returning to research, now at the London School of Economics for a second time. His new book, Messy Jobs, co-authored with Jin Li and Yanhui Wu, argues that AI won't cause mass unemployment for a surprising reason: it will make jobs messier, not simpler, and messiness is precisely what AI struggles with.
Tyler and Luis start their conversation with Spain — housing, NIMBYism, and the productivity crisis; Spanish literature and why the Civil War still looms so large; and what Chicago taught Luis about party discipline in European politics. Then to the EU's unanimity problem, capital markets, and Denmark's flexicurity model; a round of overrated-versus-underrated on Rosalía, Penélope Cruz, and Sgt. Pepper's; and finally into Messy Jobs — why retraining programs fail, whether AI's leisure dividend has arrived, and whether Spain could ever achieve AI sovereignty.
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Recorded July 28th, 2026.
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Timestamps:
00:00:00 - Intro
00:01:05 - On Spain's housing and political paralysis
00:11:08 - On Spanish literature and the Civil War
00:16:52 - On Basque and Catalan public finance
00:18:59 - On party discipline and political selection
00:22:03 - On the EU's unanimity problem
00:28:47 - On flexicurity and European labor rigidity
00:30:24 - Overrated vs. underrated
00:33:12 - On the future of Spanish language
00:35:01 - On why AI won't cause mass unemployment
00:48:38 - On what's next
00:50:11 - Outro

Gita Gopinath has spent the last several years inside the room where the world's monetary plumbing gets fixed — or doesn't. As first deputy managing director of the IMF and, before that, the Fund's chief economist, she worked on sovereign debt restructuring, followed Argentina's disinflation up close, and built her academic reputation on ideas like dollar dominance and the dominant currency paradigm. Now back at Harvard launching a new Global Economics Lab, her conversation with Tyler ranges from why exchange rates don't adjust the way models predict, to what stablecoins really cost, to whether AI's growth dividend will show up on schedule.
Tyler and Gita discuss why trade balances are only weakly related to real exchange rates, before turning to Argentina, Milei's fiscal discipline, the peso, and dollarization. Then they discuss whether economists got the euro wrong; whether trade imbalances with China are really the problem; stablecoins, CBDCs, and the Treasury market; and whether AI will ease the debt burden, cause stagflation, or transform economics itself. Finally, they turn to her family's Kerala roots: why the state keeps electing communists, the relationship between matriarchy and social indicators, single-sex education, and what she's building next.
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Recorded August 27th, 2026.
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Timestamps:
00:00:00 - Intro
00:00:57 - On why currencies don't adjust the way models predict
00:15:46 - On Argentina after triple-digit inflation
00:26:05 - On living with the euro
00:28:50 - On China's problematic surpluses
00:34:02 - On digital currencies
00:39:33 - On AI and the productivity question
00:48:51 - On why Kerala keeps electing communists
00:52:52 - On what comes next
00:55:15 - Outro