RiskReversal Pod

Dan Nathan hosts Dan Niles of Niles Investment Management on the Risk Reversal podcast to discuss macro conditions, AI-driven market leadership, and lessons from prior tech cycles. Niles compares the current AI build-out to 1997–1998’s internet infrastructure boom, arguing recent macro scares (tariffs, Iran/oil) created buying opportunities and that a bubble can persist, with further gains likely before a potential 30–50% drawdown next year. He cites a January 30 “agentic AI” step-change increasing token/compute demand, supporting strong CapEx and earnings growth, and notes Nvidia’s growth versus valuation relative to past leaders like Cisco. They debate rising yields, inflation measures, and expectations for a rate-cutting Fed chair (Kevin Warsh). The conversation covers Intel’s potential benefit from agentic shifts, corporate AI cost pressures, likely disruption to software/IT services and knowledge work, Micron’s HBM-driven surge and cyclicality risks, and how major IPOs like SpaceX, OpenAI, and Anthropic could reshape flows and create new short opportunities.

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Before making any investment or trade, evaluate its suitability for your circumstances and consider consulting your own financial or investment advisor. The financial products discussed in Risk Reversal carry a high level of risk and may not be appropriate for many investors. If you have uncertainties, it's advisable to seek professional advice. Remember that trading involves a risk to your capital, so only invest money that you can afford to lose.

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Danny Moses interviews Larry McDonald on how several prior calls played out, including regulatory relief for banks, a rotation into hard assets and energy, and AI-linked nuclear exposure via NUKZ. McDonald argues the economy is increasingly K-shaped: wealthy consumers benefit from higher money-market yields and AI CapEx, while consumer-facing companies like McDonald’s, Home Depot, and retailers weaken, pushing money into crowded tech trades. They discuss risks from massive AI/space IPOs entering indexes, the “dark side” of passive investing, and the potential for an inflation rebound driven by oil, summer demand, and Middle East disruptions, which could spur rotation from tech into commodities. McDonald outlines constraints from rising debt interest costs, a stagflation risk, a plan to force banks to buy Treasuries, and opportunities in gold miners and uranium amid looming supply deficits, plus election-driven value setups in Brazil.

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ABOUT THE SHOW

For decades, Danny has seen it all on Wall Street and has built his reputation on integrity, curiosity and skepticism that he will bring with him each week. Having traded through the Great Financial Crisis and being featured in "The Big Short" is only part of the experiences Danny wants to share with the listener. This weekly podcast cuts through market noise, offering entertaining and informative discussions with expert guests giving their views of the financial world and the human side of it. Whether you're a seasoned investor or just getting started, On The Tape provides something for all listeners.

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The financial opinions expressed are for information purposes only. The opinions expressed by the hosts and participants are not an attempt to influence specific trading behavior, investments, or strategies. Past performance does not necessarily predict future outcomes. No specific results or profits are assured when relying on this content.

Before making any investment or trade, evaluate its suitability for your circumstances and consider consulting your own financial or investment advisor. The financial products discussed in 'On The Tape' carry a high level of risk and may not be appropriate for many investors. If you have uncertainties, it's advisable to seek professional advice. Remember that trading involves a risk to your capital, so only invest money that you can afford to lose.

Derivatives are not suitable for all investors and involve the risk of losing more than the amount originally deposited and any profit you might have made. This communication is not a recommendation or offer to buy, sell or retain any specific investment or service.

Dan Nathan welcomes Notable Capital partner Jeff Richards to discuss how public-market concentration and multiple expansion in mega-cap tech are influencing private-market valuations. Richards explains Notable’s evolution from GGV Capital and its investments across AI and software, then argues that AI adoption is accelerating rapidly, citing publicly reported Anthropic run-rate growth and broad “token path” benefits for infrastructure and select software. He highlights cybersecurity as a key beneficiary as agents increase enterprise risk and could drive continued growth for leaders like CrowdStrike and Palo Alto, while noting stretched valuations and advising patience for pullbacks. The conversation covers Google’s equity raise and Berkshire’s participation, Microsoft’s questions beyond Azure, and why Richards recently bought Meta. They address enterprise “sticker shock” for AI usage, the shift to measuring output, SaaS durability vs. internal builds at startups, talent-driven M&A, rising VC interest in robotics, and potential IPO demand for SpaceX, Anthropic, and OpenAI amid signs of frothy market behavior.

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Dan Nathan and Guy Adami open with promotion of their new interview series Standing Table (episodes with Anthony Scaramucci, Rick Heitzmann, and SoFi’s Liz Thomas) and note a recent RiskReversal conversation with Dan Niles about investing in a market bubble. They discuss eased geopolitical rhetoric heading into Memorial Day, crude around $88, lower yields, and the S&P 500 at all-time highs, while warning that valuation measures (Buffett indicator, CAPE) and consumer stress signals (high auto payments, elevated gas/insurance costs, rising credit card delinquencies) are flashing red. They review sharp pullbacks in Costco and Walmart as valuation-driven despite decent quarters, then turn to a rebound and potential rotation into software (IGV) and cybersecurity. They highlight rising AI token consumption pricing, “token maxing,” and reports that Amazon, Microsoft, and Uber are pulling back after blowing through AI budgets, framing it as an IPO-era monetization issue. They close on Dell’s blowout AI server results and parabolic stock move, cautioning about margins, valuation, and broader crash risk, referencing Andrew Ross Sorkin’s comments on the inevitability of future market crashes.

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The financial opinions expressed in Risk Reversal content are for information purposes only. The opinions expressed by the hosts and participants are not an attempt to influence specific trading behavior, investments, or strategies. Past performance does not necessarily predict future outcomes. No specific results or profits are assured when relying on Risk Reversal.

Before making any investment or trade, evaluate its suitability for your circumstances and consider consulting your own financial or investment advisor. The financial products discussed in Risk Reversal carry a high level of risk and may not be appropriate for many investors. If you have uncertainties, it's advisable to seek professional advice. Remember that trading involves a risk to your capital, so only invest money that you can afford to lose.

Derivatives are not suitable for all investors and involve the risk of losing more than the amount originally deposited and any profit you might have made. This communication is not a recommendation or offer to buy, sell or retain any specific investment or service.

Dan Nathan hosts David Schamis (CEO, Hyperliquid Strategies) and Jeroen Nieuwkoop (COO, Hyperliquid Strategies) to explain Hyperliquid, a three-and-a-half-year-old L1 blockchain built for high-throughput exchange activity and best known for perpetual futures trading. They discuss how Hyperliquid aims to be an “AWS of on-chain trading,” enabling permissionless exchanges like Trade XYZ to list perps on assets such as major U.S. equities, gold, silver, and oil, and why decentralized custody, speed, and UI/UX differentiate it from prior DEXs. They outline HYPE tokenomics, including using ~99% of protocol fees for token buybacks and burns, and define perp pricing via funding rates. The conversation covers U.S. regulatory constraints, Hyperliquid Strategies’ Nasdaq-listed DAT (PURR) formed via reverse merger to provide U.S. access to HYPE exposure, and emerging use cases like pre-IPO perps (e.g., SpaceX) for 24/7 price discovery.

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