RiskReversal Pod

Dan Nathan hosts David Schamis (CEO, Hyperliquid Strategies) and Jeroen Nieuwkoop (COO, Hyperliquid) to explain Hyperliquid, a three-and-a-half-year-old L1 blockchain built for high-throughput exchange activity and best known for perpetual futures trading. They discuss how Hyperliquid aims to be an “AWS of on-chain trading,” enabling permissionless exchanges like Trade XYZ to list perps on assets such as major U.S. equities, gold, silver, and oil, and why decentralized custody, speed, and UI/UX differentiate it from prior DEXs. They outline HYPE tokenomics, including using ~99% of protocol fees for token buybacks and burns, and define perp pricing via funding rates. The conversation covers U.S. regulatory constraints, Hyperliquid Strategies’ Nasdaq-listed DAT (PURR) formed via reverse merger to provide U.S. access to HYPE exposure, and emerging use cases like pre-IPO perps (e.g., SpaceX) for 24/7 price discovery.

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Today, we’re back on Wall Street and dining at Harry’s, a trusted Wall Street institution for over 50 years. Joining us is Liz Thomas, Chief Market Strategist at SoFi.

Her origin story starts in Wisconsin, but she’s made a name for herself in New York as a trusted market and investment guru. Prior to joining SoFi, Liz was the Director of Market Strategy at BNY Mellon, a Portfolio Analyst at Baird, and a Research Analyst at BMO Global Asset Management.

Timecodes
00:00 — “Edgy Broads”
00:21 — Welcome to Standing Table at Harry’s on Wall Street
01:24 — Meet SoFi’s Head of Investment Strategy, Liz Thomas
02:24 — From Wisconsin to Wall Street: Liz’s Journey Begins
04:54 — The Mentor Who Changed Liz’s Career Path
06:14 — Guy & Dan Tell the Early Fast Money Origin Story
09:35 — Liz Opens Up About Leaving Everything Behind for NYC
12:31 — Becoming a CNBC Personality & Inspiring Young Women
16:18 — Why Liz Took the Leap from BNY Mellon to SoFi
20:49 — Marriage, Motherhood & Being the Breadwinner
22:21 — Liz’s Mission Supporting Women Through Grace Outreach
23:37 — Liz’s Career Advice: Don’t Wait to Be Noticed

Standing Table is made possible through our continued partnership with Apex Fintech Solutions.

Apex Fintech Solutions provides the tools and services that enable hundreds of clients to launch, scale, and support digital investing for tens of millions of end investors. The company provides essential infrastructure and a comprehensive ecosystem of cloud-based products to enable and streamline trading, wealth management, cost basis, tax reporting, and, through its subsidiary Apex Clearing™, custody and clearing.

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Guy Adami and Dan Nathan discuss an S&P 500 pressing all-time highs amid sticky inflation, a 10-year yield around the mid-4% range, and low near-term volatility despite an upcoming Fed meeting and PCE data. They review mixed retail signals (strength at higher-end brands versus Walmart’s margin pressure and a strained lower-end consumer), debate the market’s resilience, and focus on AI: Nvidia’s explosive growth and concerns that soaring usage-based AI costs could challenge the “sanctity” of big-tech CapEx, alongside critiques of Meta layoffs and skepticism about SaaS firms overpromising AI. Guy then interviews Darrell Crate of Easterly, who outlines structural volatility, demographic-driven retirement needs, and hedged equity demand, argues small caps benefit from innovation, and describes Easterly Government Properties as a mission-critical government-lease REIT with an 8% dividend, no canceled leases, a $1.5B pipeline, and potential tailwinds from government efficiency initiatives and GSA changes.

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Brian Belski joins Dan Nathan to break down why he still sees the S&P 500 moving higher — but warns a correction may come first.

Belski explains why this is now an earnings-driven market, why the Mag 7 may begin to hand leadership to the other 493 stocks, and what could trigger the next pullback. He also shares his views on AI stocks, SpaceX/OpenAI IPOs, financials, industrials, housing, rates, and why he believes the market could still end the year with “an 8 handle.”

Topics include:• Why Brian Belski expects a correction before another rally• The case for S&P 8,000 (and why it won’t be a straight line)• AI enthusiasm, IPO mania & whether we’re in a bubble• Why he’s bullish on financials, industrials & select cyclicals• Treasury yields, housing, Walmart, Deere & the consumer outlook• What could actually trigger the next bear market

Timecodes

00:00 Intro + Brian Belski Returns02:00 Inside Belski’s New ETF (HIS) & Stock-Picking Strategy05:45 How Belski Nailed the S&P 7,000 Call08:30 Why 2026 Is an “Earnings-Driven” Market09:45 Why Belski Expects a Market Correction10:45 Mag 7 vs. The Other 493 Stocks14:00 Walmart Warning, Consumer Trends & Retail Risks17:15 Deere, Industrials & Why AI Could Benefit Old Economy Stocks20:00 Why Belski Still Likes Financials Despite Weak Performance21:45 Airlines, FedEx & The Transport Trade24:00 Housing, Homebuilders & What Happens If Rates Fall26:45 Will Treasury Yields Finally Move Lower?31:00 SpaceX, OpenAI & Anthropic IPO Risks33:00 Could AI IPOs Trigger a Market Shake-Up?39:00 The AI Trade: Bubble, Boom or Just Getting Started?44:00 What Wall Street Is Missing in Software & AI45:45 Timing the Next Market Correction48:00 What Could Actually Cause a Bear Market?49:45 Belski’s S&P Outlook: Why He Sees an “8 Handle”

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Dan Nathan sits down with Lux Capital partner Shahin Farshchi and AI investor Ann Bordetsky from the RBC Private Tech Conference to explore what comes after ChatGPT — and where the next wave of AI is headed.

From defense, robotics, semiconductors, and space infrastructure to AI agents, enterprise software, and the future of work, these conversations break down the technologies, companies, and trends shaping the next decade. They also discuss trillion-dollar valuations, venture capital, hyperscalers, and what separates breakout AI winners from the rest.

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