Invisible Worker

• The Courage for Risk: No One’s Coming to Save You

  Of those raised in the lowest income bracket, only 4% reach the top 20% of earners. Jason Desentz, CHRO of Toshiba, is one of them. Desentz explains his philosophy: "Listen, Learn, Lead," and how he leads his people based on his lived experiences.Show notes from our host, Emily Trant: I first met Jason in early 2025 when he was speaking about HR leadership at a conference in Atlanta. As I listened to him talk enthusiastically about the value of hard work, I sat in the audience and misjudged him. He’s a successful HR leader, and I assumed he came from a successful family background and that his ‘hard work’ narrative was cover for his privilege. Boy was I wrong.Later that same day I hosted a roundtable discussion on financial inclusion, and Jason joined in. Afterwards, he came up to me and began to tell me his story. His humble background, how he knows what it feels like to grow up poor, and how that fuels his leadership style.I knew then that his story needed to be told.Jason does a lot of public speaking but he never talks about this part of his life, and I am honored that he was willing to open up and tell his story on the Invisible Worker podcast. Thank you, Jason, for your authenticity, for your courage, and for lighting the path for so many people to follow.Here’s more information on some of the topics we discussed:USDA Food and Nutrition Service (FNS): (https://www.fns.usda.gov/) for data on SNAP participation, benefit levels, and program expenditures.Pew Charitable Trust: for data on social mobility and the proportion of children who earn more (or less) than their parents. https://www.pew.org/~/media/legacy/uploadedfiles/pcs_assets/2012/pursuingamericandreampdf.pdf Brookings Institution research: finds the U.S. has lower rates of social mobility compared to many other developed countries. It takes about five generations, or 150 years, for a family in the bottom 10% to reach the average income. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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• LIVE: The secret ingredient to happier hospitality - Nisha Katona MBE

  We’re wrapping up Season 1 of the Invisible Worker podcast with a very special Live Episode, brought to you from the annual Financial Wellbeing Forum.From barrister to restaurateur, Nisha Katona MBE traded the courtroom for the kitchen and built Mowgli Street Food. But this isn't just another restaurant story. We delve into the secret ingredient behind Mowgli's success: a workforce that thrives. Discover how Nisha's past shaped Mowgli's unique culture and how she's flipping the script on what it means to work in hospitality. Could her methods be the key to a happier, more fulfilled working life for hospitality workforces?Show Notes: This episode is a little bit different since we recorded it live in front of an audience with the amazing Nisha Katona, founder and CEO of Mowgli Street Food. If you’re watching you’ll catch glimpses of the audience and a little bit of interaction. If you’re listening, you might miss one or two gestures (e.g. where Nisha talks about a pile of paperwork being ‘this big’ and shows with her hands) but you’ll still be able to follow the conversation with ease.If you’re curious about some of the stats we discussed, particularly about the hospitality sector, here are some great sources:UK Hospitality has loads of sector stats that I found super interestingI used the Resolution Foundation’s Economy 2030 report for all the info about how much hospitality we consume in the UK vs the rest of Europe AND for data on what features of a job people value more than a payrise. This report is worth reading.The CIPD is also an excellent source of sector information, and it was my go-to for churn dataIf you felt inspired by Nisha and now you want a job at Mowgli, here’s their careers page. If you’re an HR leader or running a business I also recommend reading up on the guiding principles from the Good Jobs Institute. It’s a US-based organisation, but the foundations they recommend hold up in any market.Finally, we’ve supported the Mowgli Trust for this episode. Check out the great work they do.Ps - If you want to be in the audience the next time we record a live episode, subscribe to the Finwell Forum Community. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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• Adam Kay: Life inside the UK's largest employer

  A huge thank you to my guest Adam Kay for coming on the show to talk about his experience being a junior doctor in the NHS. I highly recommend reading his breakout novel, This is Going to Hurt: Secret Diaries of a Junior Doctor. It paints a vivid picture of life on the frontline of the NHS.If you’re curious about some of the historical and financial information we discussed, here are some of the sources that I used to prep for this show:For the NHS origin story you can browse the national archives for a look back through the 1942 Beveridge report, which recommended the creation of the National Health Service.The King’s Fund data gives a nice snapshot of the NHS in numbers, and breaks down what you get for every £1bn.I also looked at the ONS Annual Survey of Hours and Earnings data and the NHS Agenda for Change pay rates to get some comparative earnings data and insight into how well the NHS pays as an employer. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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• The behavioural science of money

  Join our community to access bonus content, the full episode archive, and exclusive opportunities to get involved with the show.A huge thank you to my guest Owain Service for coming on the show to talk about the behavioural science of money and to unveil the new research we did together.Here are some of the links to topics we discussed on the show.Use the Institute of Fiscal Studies tool to check how your household income stacks up against the rest of the UK. I hope you finished the showing perhaps feeling richer than you started, but if you want to check it out to be sure this is a great tool.The Office of National Statistics (ONS) Annual Survey of Hours and Earnings is a great tool for understanding how pay is distributed. You can also get a snapshot, as I did, from looking at a single month of ONS dataIn preparation for this episode Owain advised me to read the Perils of Perception by Bobby Duffy, which was fascinating. I also brushed up on the Thaler and Sunstein’s “Nudge”Finally, we talked about Scarcity Mindset which is something I’m fascinated with, so much so that I wrote my own short paper about it, Mind Over Money. It’s a relatively short read, links back to some of the sources we discussed on the show, and as a bonus has a brief history of the concept of Scarcity Mindset and how some of the data I observe in my day job as Chief Impact Officer at Wagestream is potentially connected to this phenomenon. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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• Why do we make the poor pay more?

  Join our community to access bonus content, the full episode archive, and exclusive opportunities to get involved with the show.Thank you to Sara Davies, Senior Research Fellow at Bristol University Personal Finance Research Centre. Sara has been hands on developing the framework for measuring the poverty premium and in my day job I use her research to calculate and report impact. 💪💪💪Although we pitched this episode as being about measuring the poverty premium, mostly we spoke about how and why it arises, and some of the methodology behind the measurement. If you want to get into the technical details of how it’s measured, here are some of the resources we mentioned on the show:David Caplovitz’s 1963 book “The Poor Pay More: Consumer Practices of Low Income Families” → borrow a copy from the Open LibraryThis early report by Save the Children shows the potential cost of the poverty premiumPaying to be poor: uncovering the scale and nature of the poverty premium, published in 2016 is the seminal work from the Bristol University Personal Finance Research Centre. Some of the methodology (and data) has since been updated, and there’s a wealth of information about the poverty premium on the Fair by Design websiteWe spoke a bit about scarcity mindset on the show.I’ve written a short report called Mind Over Money that explores this in action, and links to further background reading.Finally, if you want to feel appalled about the cost of the ‘loyalty penalty’ have a skim through the Citizens Advice super-complaint to the Competition and Markets Authority. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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