Whiskey Web and Whatnot

This week, Robbie and Adam sip on Whistle Pig's Liquid Death collaboration and debate whether we've accidentally deleted programming itself. They dig into the shift from code-first to spec-first development, whether TypeScript still matters in an AI-driven world, the rise of agency over specialization, and why the future might belong to prompt-driven tinkerers instead of traditional developers.

Presented by CodeRabbit: http://coderabbit.link/whiskey

In this episode:

(00:00) - Intro

(01:43) - Whiskey rating & review: Whistle Pig x Liquid Death Gravestock

(07:21) - Automating tasks with AI: the chicken and egg problem

(11:12) - Building a whiskey episode art generator with Swift and AI

(17:02) - Libraries that ship specs instead of code

(22:24) - Is TypeScript still worth it in an AI-first world?

(29:06) - Converting Shepherd from Svelte to Solid for bundle size

(34:44) - Why code matters less and outcomes matter more

(42:42) - Comparing OpenCode, Warp, Cursor, and Windsurf

(50:38) - The rise of agency: tinkerers over specialists

(54:46) - Getting into physical goods and local farming

(57:12) - Why booze, nicotine, and fun are all down

(01:00:10) - Plugs

Links

Whistle Pig Gravestock: https://www.whistlepigwhiskey.com/

Liquid Death: https://liquiddeath.com/

Warp: https://www.warp.dev/

OpenCode: https://opencode.ai/

Claude: https://claude.ai/

Cursor: https://www.cursor.com/

Windsurf: https://windsurf.ai/

Gemini: https://gemini.google.com/

TypeScript: https://www.typescriptlang.org/

Svelte: https://svelte.dev/

Solid: https://www.solidjs.com/

GitHub Copilot: https://github.com/features/copilot

Shopify: https://www.shopify.com/

Anthropic: https://www.anthropic.com/

Swift: https://www.swift.org/

Shepherd: https://shepherdjs.dev/

Floating UI: https://floating-ui.com/

Swach: https://www.swach.io/

CSS Anchor Positioning: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/CSS_anchor_positioning

FLIP Technique: https://aerotwist.com/blog/flip-your-animations/

Paul Lewis: https://aerotwist.com/

Want My MTV: https://wantmymtv.vercel.app/

Fuse TV: https://www.fuse.tv/

Connect with the hosts

Robbie Wagner: https://x.com/RobbieWagner

Chuck Carpenter: https://x.com/ChuckCarpenter

Adam Argyle: https://x.com/argyleink

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This week, Robbie and Adam talk about the ethics and economics of AI, and why “stealing with extra steps” feels like the right metaphor for where things are headed. They dig into open source burnout, whether AI replaces developers or just reshapes the job, how tooling and multi-agent systems fit in, and whether the future belongs to niche expertise—or just better prompts.

Presented by CodeRabbit: http://coderabbit.link/whiskey

In this episode:

(00:00) - Intro

(01:56) - Whiskey rating & review: Old Forester 1897

(04:50) - Music taste, Spotify ages, and feeling old

(07:29) - Is AI just stealing with extra steps?

(19:09) - Ralph vs. Gastown and the rise of agent chaos

(28:04) - What is an AI harness?

(31:36) - How to stay valuable in an AI-shaped future

(36:25) - Does vibe coding feel as satisfying?

(39:47) - Is the web heading somewhere dark?

(42:02) - Cursor wars, animations, and UX pet peeves

(48:48) - Will GitHub projects go full Vibe Kanban in 2026?

(54:41) - Holiday reflections and unplugging

(58:18) - Staying up late and old routines

(01:00:00) - Remembering Robbie’s dog

(01:00:58) - 2026 plans, goals, and resolutions

Links

Old Forester: https://www.oldforester.com/

Shopify: https://www.shopify.com/

Mayday Parade: https://maydayparade.com/

Teddy Swims: https://www.teddyswims.com/

Post Malone: https://www.postmalone.com/

JavaScript: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript

Grok: https://grok.com/

Adam Wathan: https://x.com/adamwathan/

Tailwind CSS: https://tailwindcss.com/

GitHub: https://github.com/

Primeagen: https://x.com/ThePrimeagen

Gas Town: https://github.com/steveyegge/gastown

Ralph: https://github.com/snarktank/ralph

Claude: https://claude.ai

OpenCode: https://opencode.ai/

Matt Pocock - Ship working code while you sleep with the Ralph Wiggum technique: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IK18goX4X8

Python: https://www.python.org/

Oh-my-opencode: https://github.com/code-yeongyu/oh-my-opencode

Bolt: https://bolt.new/

Warp: https://www.warp.dev/

ChatGPT: https://chatgpt.com/

Lovable: https://lovable.dev/

Same: https://same.new/

Ember: https://emberjs.com/

Expedition 33: https://www.expedition33.com

Destiny 2: https://www.bungie.net/7/en/destiny

Anything: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/anything-ai-app-builder/id6751247034

Swach: https://www.swach.io/

Electron: https://www.electronjs.org/

Swift: https://www.swift.org/

Copilot: https://github.com/features/copilot

The Polar Express: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Polar_Express_(film)

React Miami: https://www.reactmiami.com/

Render ATL: https://www.renderatl.com/

CascadiaJS: https://cascadiajs.com/

All Things Open: https://allthingsopen.org/

CSS Day: https://cssday.nl/

Connect with the hosts

Robbie Wagner: https://x.com/RobbieWagner

Chuck Carpenter: https://x.com/ChuckCarpenter

Adam Argyle: https://x.com/argyleink

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This week, Robbie, Chuck, and Adam bring you the holiday edition of Whiskey Web and Whatnot: random whiskeys, Christmas hot takes, and dev debates. They discuss AI agents, guardrails, prompt-driven development, and whether we’re drifting toward a world where code matters less than outcomes.

Presented by CodeRabbit: http://coderabbit.link/whiskey

In this episode:

(00:00) Intro

(02:15) Whiskey selections

(07:43) Christmas Hot Take: Real tree vs fake tree

(12:14) Christmas Hot Take: White lights vs colored lights

(15:07) What everyone's watching right now

(17:55) What is Ball Pit?

(19:58) Video games everyone's playing

(21:58) Chuck's overseas shipping challenges

(23:09) The modern grocery store experience (and why Chuck refuses to “work there”)

(28:18) Are types dead in an AI-first dev world?

(45:53) Disney giving money to OpenAI

(47:57) Netflix acquiring Warner Bros… what?

(48:35) Are AI tools actually worth the cost?

(51:30) Just-in-time apps: the future of the web?

(54:39) Living in Italy + the language barrier

(57:50) Adam’s food analogy: web platform vs React apps

(58:15) Fast food tier list

(01:00:06) Adam's banjo Christmas tunes

Links

The Nightmare Before Christmas: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nightmare_Before_Christmas

Ember: https://emberjs.com/

South Park: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Park

Paramount+: https://www.paramountplus.com/

Stranger Things: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stranger_Things

Sean Combs: The Reckoning: https://www.netflix.com/title/81906780

50 Cent: https://x.com/50cent

Today Show: https://www.today.com/

Ball Pit: https://www.ballxpit.com/

Breakout: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakout_(video_game)

Risk of Rain: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risk_of_Rain

Steam: https://store.steampowered.com/

Nintendo Switch: https://www.nintendo.com/us/gaming-systems/switch/

FIFA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_(video_game_series)

GOG: http://Gog.com

Luna: https://luna.amazon.com/

Rue Valley: https://ruevalley.com/

Memento: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memento_(film)

Indiana Jones and the Great Circle: https://indianajones.bethesda.net/en-US

Uncharted: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncharted

Whole Foods: https://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/

Opencode: https://opencode.ai/

Warp: https://www.warp.dev/

TypeScript: https://www.typescriptlang.org/

Airtable: https://www.airtable.com/

Rust: https://www.rust-lang.org/

MacOS: https://www.apple.com/macos/

Windows: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows

Linux: https://www.linux.org/

Shopify: https://www.shopify.com/

Claude: https://claude.ai/

Vite: https://vite.dev/

JavaScript: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript

CSS: https://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/

Disney: https://www.disney.com/

Sora: https://openai.com/sora/

Studio Ghibli: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studio_Ghibli

OpenAI: https://openai.com

Scarlett Johansson: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarlett_Johansson

Harry Potter: https://www.harrypotter.com/

Uber Eats: https://www.ubereats.com/

React: https://react.dev/

Taco Bell: https://www.tacobell.com/

KFC: https://www.kfc.com/

Bob's Burgers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob's_Burgers

Garth Brooks: https://www.garthbrooks.com/

Connect with the hosts

Robbie Wagner: https://x.com/RobbieTheWagner

Chuck Carpenter: https://x.com/CharlesWthe3rd

Adam Argyle: https://x.com/argyleink

Subscribe and stay in touch

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Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/19jiuHAqzeKnkleQUpZxDf

Overcast: https://overcast.fm/itunes1552776603

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhiskeyWebAndWhatnot

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This week, Robbie and Adam talk with Will Johnson—senior developer advocate at Auth0—about web dev, parenting, and internet culture. They debate whether CSS is a “real” programming language, riff on how modern frameworks can feel over-engineered, and dig into the security risks emerging around AI agents and MCP. Will shares what he’s been learning about MCP security, why he’s cautious with new tools, and how Auth0’s new AI agent offering helps manage identity, permissions, and token safety.

Presented by CodeRabbit: http://coderabbit.link/whiskey

In this episode:

(00:00) - Intro

(01:49) - Meet Will Johnson

(02:19) - Whiskey rating & review: Jameson Triple Triple

(07:13) - Hot Take: Git rebase vs git merge

(09:42) - Parenting talk: kids, wrestling, and learning consequences

(11:57) - Hot Take: Is CSS a programming language?

(14:37) - What Will’s working on at Auth0 (AI + MCP security)

(16:57) - The most interesting MCP-related hacks and security risks

(18:27) - Can “skills” become an attack vector too?

(19:47) - Security vulnerabilities, Next.js updates, and patching fatigue

(20:48) - How Will’s family got into K-Pop Demon Hunters

(25:51) - The Moana live-action trailer “looks like useEffect” (and why)

(27:17) - Is React essentially processed American food?

(27:58) - Sugar-free Oreos: what are we even doing here?

(29:18) - Have we overcomplicated frontend development?

(31:32) - Why Rails is the best-engineered dev experience Will has used

(32:25) - How Auth0 teams are structured

(35:47) - Passkeys explained

(41:43) - Plugs and how to connect with Will

(43:12) - How AI agents fit into auth

Links

Auth0: https://auth0.com/

Jameson Triple Triple: https://www.jamesonwhiskey.com/en-us/our-whiskey/jameson-triple-triple/

Three Sheets: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Sheets

Jack Daniel's Reserve: https://www.jackdaniels.com/

Google Chrome: https://www.google.com/chrome/

Shopify: https://www.shopify.com/

CSS: https://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/

JavaScript: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript

MCP: https://modelcontextprotocol.io/

Next.js: https://nextjs.org/

KPop Demon Hunters: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KPop_Demon_Hunters

Britney Spears: https://britneyspears.com/

NSYNC: https://nsync.com/

B2K: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B2K

Chris Brown: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Brown

Netflix: https://netflix.com

Stanford University: https://www.stanford.edu/

Moana: https://movies.disney.com/moana

Dak Prescott: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dak_Prescott

React: https://react.dev/

Oreo: https://www.oreo.com/

jQuery: https://jquery.com/

Ken Wheeler: https://x.com/ken_wheeler/

ES6: https://www.w3schools.com/js/js_es6.asp

BlingBlingjs: https://github.com/argyleink/blingblingjs

Astro: https://astro.build/

Rails: https://rubyonrails.org/

Laravel: https://laravel.com/

Egghead: https://egghead.io/

Grok: https://grok.com/

1Password: https://1password.com/

Google Zanzibar: https://research.google/pubs/zanzibar-googles-consistent-global-authorization-system/

AWS: https://aws.amazon.com/

Netlify: https://www.netlify.com/

Pokemon Go: https://pokemongolive.com/

Connect with Will

Website: https://auth0.com/ai

X / Twitter: https://x.com/willjohnsonio

Connect with the hosts

Robbie Wagner: https://x.com/RobbieTheWagner

Chuck Carpenter: https://x.com/CharlesWthe3rd

Adam Argyle: https://x.com/argyleink

Subscribe and stay in touch

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Overcast: https://overcast.fm/itunes1552776603

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhiskeyWebAndWhatnot

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This week, Robbie and Adam talk about holiday travel chaos, parenting stress, and health scares before diving into AI-assisted coding, Linux quirks, IDE trends, burnout in open source, and more.

In this episode:

- (00:00) - Intro

- (02:07) - Whiskey rating & review: Flaviar & Jack Daniels

- (06:02) - Stress gummies, holiday chaos, and why Robbie is fried

- (13:05) - Adam on pulling back, burnout, and choosing quality over quantity

- (21:02) - Second pour: Flavia SirDavis American Whisky

- (21:23) - Building color tools for fun (and sanity)

- (21:51) - Is React actually holding us back?

- (25:16) - Food, culture, and building with the platform

- (27:19) - The worst IDE idea ever

- (31:00) - Vibe-coding an iOS app… on iOS

- (32:39) - Where AI still completely fails

- (34:02) - OpenAI vs. Gemini and the shifting AI landscape

- (34:56) - Editors, agents, and AI overload

- (38:34) - Space toggles in CSS and weirdly powerful tricks

- (42:14) - Are AI tools getting more scatterbrained?

- (44:20) - Perspective when everything feels heavy

- (46:20) - Learning new skills without burning out

- (48:03) - Curiosity is a survival skill

- (48:40) - Working through hard seasons in life

- (54:14) - TV shows, distractions, and mental breaks

- (54:46) - Robbie vs. Lego ordering (again)

- (56:05) - Adam’s exhausting travel run

- (57:07) - Why kids are basically walking germs

- (58:26) - Adam’s Beyond Tellerrand talk

- (59:13) - Advent of Code

**Links**

- Flaviar Bhakta Golden Age Blend: https://flaviar.com/products/bhakta-1928-golden-age-blend-750

- Flavia SirDavis American Whisky: https://flaviar.com/products/sirdavis-american-whisky-750

- Jack Daniels Single Barrel Rye: https://www.jackdaniels.com/en-us/whiskey/single-barrel-rye

- Whiskey Web and Whatnot live episodes from All Things Open 2025: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7uiIY_6TPL-iREDcpUVndAZaz118OE-h

- Olly Stress Gummies: https://www.olly.com/

- Flaviar Whiskey Advent Calendar: https://flaviar.com/pages/advent-calendar

- Harry Potter and the Cursed Child: https://www.harrypottertheplay.com/

- ChatGPT: https://chatgpt.com/

- Adam's blog post - An Update On My Involvement In Standards: https://nerdy.dev/update-on-my-involvement-in-standards

- Primeagen: https://x.com/ThePrimeagen

- Swach: https://swach.io/

- Chrome EyeDropper API: https://developer.chrome.com/docs/capabilities/web-apis/eyedropper

- Linux: https://www.linux.org/

- Wayland: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayland_(protocol)

- GNOME: https://www.gnome.org/

- KDE: https://kde.org/

- C++: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/cpp

- Rust: https://www.rust-lang.org/

- Electron: https://www.electronjs.org/

- Antigravity: https://antigravity.google/

- Adam's color component: https://github.com/argyleink/css-color-component

- theCHIVE: https://thechive.com/

- Preact: https://preactjs.com/

- React: https://react.dev/

- Cursor: https://www.cursor.com/

- Seinfeld: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seinfeld

- VS Code: https://code.visualstudio.com/

- Ember: https://emberjs.com/

- OpenAI: https://openai.com

- Gemini: https://gemini.google.com/

- Nano Banana: https://gemini.google/overview/image-generation/

- Claude: https://claude.ai/

- Opencode: https://opencode.ai/

- Warp: https://www.warp.dev/

- Anthropic: https://www.anthropic.com/

- Big Pickle: https://opencode.ai/docs/zen/

- Windsurf: https://windsurf.ai/

- CSS: https://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/

- Stranger Things: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stranger_Things

- Chris Coyier: https://x.com/chriscoyier

- Wednesday: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wednesday_(TV_series)

- LEGO: https://www.lego.com/

- WebGL: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/WebGL_API

- Advent of Code: https://adventofcode.com/

- Figma: https://www.figma.com/

- Adam's Beyond Tellerrand talk: https://beyondtellerrand.com/events/berlin-2025/speakers/adam-argyle

**Connect with the hosts**

- Robbie Wagner: https://x.com/RobbieTheWagner

- Chuck Carpenter: https://x.com/CharlesWthe3rd

- Adam Argyle: https://x.com/argyleink

**Subscribe and stay in touch**

- Website: https://whiskey.fm

- Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/whiskey-web-and-whatnot/id1552776603

- Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/19jiuHAqzeKnkleQUpZxDf

- Overcast: https://overcast.fm/itunes1552776603

- YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhiskeyWebAndWhatnot

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