True Crime Bullsh**

Josh is out sick and snowed in this week. So, in lieu of a new episode, we're sharing the entirety of the July 10, 2012 FBI interview with Keyes - which has been critical in our work this season. Topics include: The Deschutes attack, Keyes's first murder, the victim ruled accidental, his time in the Army, murders on his boat, and more.

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Josh and the team discuss how Israel Keyes used infrastructure maps to scout, hide and/or bury his caches and victims. This may just be the key to solving his crimes.

This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark.
With additional research by Kathy Nation, Jordan Taylor, and Michelle Tooker.
This episode featured Kathy Nation, Jordan Taylor, Michelle Tooker, and Shana Wilensky.
 
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Music by: Sonic Yard. 
Featured music by: The Foundry Field Recordings 

Patreon producers: Amy Basil, Kendall C., Asch Fish, Heather Horton-Whedon, Sherri D, Kirsten Hoffman, Dale Akstin, Stephanie Taylor, Drew Vipond, Amelia Hancock, Christina Sisson, Nicole & Dennis Henry, Jillian Natale, Lana Halladay, Rural Juror, Tuesdi Woodworth, Kathleen S, Annette L, Casey Jensen-Richardson, SC, Benjamin Cioppa-Fong, Dan del Rossi, Trista, Nichole, Pink, JenJ, Corey D, Robin, Carol, Michelle, Jordan M, Kate Lussier, John Comrie, Kathy Nation, Carrie, Jordan T, Bethany, David Begley, Ally, Lauren Ferri, Chris S, Tori Myers, Sabrina Abbott, Meaghan Daigle, Ashley Kuplin, Michael Randall, DeWayne C, Jen Trocola, Trixie.

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We're pushing out until we return for the holiday break on January 19, with FIVE EXTRA EPISODES. Our initial episode count of 8, increased to 12, and now we know we have more than enough content to put out 17 very strong episodes this season (which means 7 more episodes).

Upcoming travel:
On January 8th, I'll be in LA with Tooker and Charlie (Crimelines) for a happy hour and meet-up at the Bigfoot Lodge on Los Feliz Blvd from 6-8pm. Stop by and join us for drinks and conversation.
Additionally, the trip to Iceland has sold out. But we're working on a second 2026 Trova Trip for those of you wanting something warm, tropical, and closer to home. That announcement will be coming soon.

Thanks for your patience, support, and understanding. Have a wonderful holiday season. <3

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For the month of December, True Crime creators are getting together for conversations about podcasting, true crime, and the nexus between the two. We’ll discuss creating our shows, behind-the-scenes moments, fears and hopes, the cases that have gripped us, and more.

In this conversation Amanda (Wine & Crime), Charlie (Crimelines), and Josh (True Crime Bullsh**) discuss: friendships in podcasting, war stories from the road, podcast advice, feeling misunderstood, weird purchases, pop culture, and more.

Enjoy this conversation and be sure to check out the rest:

• Jessie (Love Murder), Bob (Buried), Joshua (Somewhere in the Pines)
• Javier (Pretend), Kristen (Murder, She Told), Shaun (Sins & Survivors)
• Patrick (True Crime Obsessed), Josh (True Crime Bullsh**), Eric (True Consequences)
• Gillian (True Crime Obsessed), Alvin (Affirmative Murder), Lanie (True Crime Cases with Lanie)
• Robin (The Trail Went Cold), Nina (Already Gone), John (Sins & Survivors)
• Aaron (Generation Why), Lucy (Wine & Crime), Kristen (Murder, She Told)
• Amanda (Wine & Crime), Josh (True Crime Bullsh**), Andie (Love Murder), Charlie (Crimelines)

Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/true-crime-bullsh--3588169/support.

For the month of December, True Crime creators are getting together for conversations about podcasting, true crime, and the nexus between the two. We’ll discuss creating our shows, behind-the-scenes moments, fears and hopes, the cases that have gripped us, and more.

In this conversation we discuss: gay podcasting, advocacy and compassion in podcasting, dick pics, criticism, the genesis of our shows, our favorite podcasts of the year, and more. 

Enjoy this conversation and be sure to check out the rest:

• Jessie (Love Murder), Bob (Buried), Joshua (Somewhere in the Pines)
• Javier (Pretend), Kristen (Murder, She Told), Shaun (Sins & Survivors)
• Patrick (True Crime Obsessed), Josh (True Crime Bullsh**), Eric (True Consequences)
• Gillian (True Crime Obsessed), Alvin (Affirmative Murder), Lanie (True Crime Cases with Lanie)
• Robin (The Trail Went Cold), Nina (Already Gone), John (Sins & Survivors)
• Aaron (Generation Why), Lucy (Wine & Crime), Kristen (Murder, She Told)
• Amanda (Wine & Crime), Josh (True Crime Bullsh**), Andie (Love Murder), Charlie (Crimelines)

Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/true-crime-bullsh--3588169/support.