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Summary
For decades, the energy sector and the mobility sector evolved on separate tracks. Electrification has now merged them, and EV charging sites sit exactly where they meet. For charge point operators, that creates a new kind of asset: a vehicle that has a trip to make, but also a flexible load that can respond to imbalance prices, balancing markets and grid constraints. The question is no longer whether EV flexibility has value, but how CPOs can capture it reliably without compromising the driver.
In Episode 59 of The Charge Point Podcast, Christophe Lephilibert speaks with Cedric De Cauwer, professor at the Vrije Universiteit Brussel (VUB) and researcher at MOBI, the university's electromobility research centre, which is approaching 50 years of work in e-mobility. Cedric started his PhD at MOBI on EV range estimation and gradually moved to grid integration of electric vehicles, which is now his main research domain. His recent work applies reinforcement learning and AI to EV charging, co-located batteries and flexibility services.
The conversation covers what his research reveals about smart charging, the Belgian imbalance market, value stacking with co-located batteries, and why aFRR is particularly difficult for EVs. Cedric explains why the use case matters more than the market, why sites like long-term airport parking and truck depots are natural flexibility candidates, and what his new large-scale coordination project aims to solve. He closes with practical advice for CPOs from two perspectives: as a researcher and as a long-time EV driver.
What you'll learn
How reinforcement learning applied to the Belgian imbalance market cut charging costs in simulations, and even reached negative charging prices.
Why the driver is the defining variable in EV flexibility, and why every revenue gain has to be balanced against meeting the driver's charging needs.
Why involving drivers is about more than financial incentives: reducing friction in the user interface and gradually building their understanding matters just as much.
Why a co-located battery rarely pays off on a single use case such as peak shaving, and how value stacking multiple services improves the return on investment.
Why aFRR remains lucrative but is especially hard for EVs, since capacity reservation clashes with unpredictable vehicle availability.
Why the real potential lies in treating the EV as a mobility asset first, and using energy services to fulfil its charging needs in a smarter way.
Which use cases make flexibility more predictable, from long-term airport parking to depots, compared with public charging.
What it will take to coordinate tens of thousands of EVs at once, including aligning TSO and DSO needs and handling data exchange at scale.
Chapters
00:00 Intro: smart charging, AI and the 50% question
02:27 Cedric's origin story: from EV range estimation to grid integration
03:36 What sparked his interest in where mobility meets energy
05:30 Reinforcement learning in the Belgian balancing market
08:54 Negative charging prices and the driver trade-off
10:15 Involving and educating EV drivers
12:36 Co-located batteries and value stacking at charging sites
15:58 ChargePoint Radar break
16:25 The most lucrative ancillary services: aFRR vs the imbalance market
19:17 Treating the EV as a mobility asset first, energy asset second
22:24 What control and planning CPOs need for flexibility revenue
24:40 Airports as virtual power plants, and depot charging
25:36 Next research project: coordinating tens of thousands of EVs
28:56 Innovations to watch in the next 3 to 5 years, including V2G
31:39 Advice for CPOs from a researcher and a long-time EV driver
34:10 Outro and key takeaways
Notable quotes
"In our simulations, we even got to a negative price, meaning that we were earning to charge. However, at a slight cost, and that cost was not always being able to fully charge the vehicle." - Cedric De Cauwer
"Look first at the obvious one, the smart charging one, and do that on more scale. Increasing self-consumption, reducing peaks, peak shaving, arbitrage. These are low-hanging fruits." - Cedric De Cauwer
"As an EV driver, I would say reliability. Make your network reliable, make sure that it works all the time. That is what will make you stand out as a CPO." - Cedric De Cauwer
About the guest
Cedric De Cauwer is a professor at the Vrije Universiteit Brussel (VUB) and a researcher at MOBI, one of Europe's leading electromobility research centres, with a multidisciplinary team of more than 120 specialists. Trained as an electromechanical engineer, he completed his PhD at MOBI on the range estimation of electric vehicles before shifting his focus to the integration of EVs into the electricity grid. His research covers smart charging, vehicle-to-grid, co-located battery storage, flexibility markets and AI-based energy management, including a new project on large-scale coordination of EV charging for grid balancing and congestion management.
Cedric De Cauwer on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cedric-de-cauwer-8ab22488/
MOBI, Vrije Universiteit Brussel: https://mobi.research.vub.be/
Related listening
For the operator side of imbalance-market arbitrage and co-located batteries in Belgium, listen to Episode 56 with Yuso.
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Public charging, not battery technology, is quietly becoming the biggest obstacle to electrifying Europe's trucking fleet. A truck can't simply pull up to a standard DC charger built for cars; it needs dedicated infrastructure delivering 600 kilowatts, 800 kilowatts, or even a full megawatt, sized to refill a battery inside the driver's mandatory 45-minute regulatory break. Building that infrastructure at scale, along the right corridors, with the right grid capacity, is a very different challenge than rolling out passenger-car charging, and it's one Europe has barely started solving.
Louis Dupasquier is uniquely placed to talk through it. He's the CEO of both Voltix and Easy Charge, two charging companies inside the Vinci Group, giving him an end-to-end view that spans small-format AC networks on French streets and the E-Born network in the southeast, all the way up to the megawatt-class truck charging stations Voltix is now building along Europe's highways. Louis's path here runs through the French Ministry of Energy, six years at Vinci deploying thousands of high-power chargers across the French motorway network, and the 2023 founding of Voltix specifically to tackle truck charging. Weeks before this episode went live, Voltix and its parent Vinci Concessions closed close to 90 million euros, alongside Épopée Gestion and ADEME Investissement, to fund the network's next phase.
In this conversation, Louis explains why 2025 was the tipping-point year for electric trucks, how France and Germany are each building their own path to TCO parity with diesel, why Germany's fragmented grid landscape makes connections so much harder than in France, and why he thinks Europe's grid connection rules need to change entirely. He also lays out Voltix's rollout plan across five European countries through 2028, and makes the case for why megawatt charging matters even beyond the regulatory break itself.
CHAPTERS
0:00 – Intro & episode overview
 2:14 – Louis Dupasquier's path: from the French Ministry of Energy to double CEO at Vinci
 4:29 – Why Voltix exists: the case for battery-electric trucks over hydrogen and biofuel
 6:04 – The 2023 study that defined the bottleneck: public charging for trucks
 9:14 – The 2025 tipping point: the Mercedes eActros 600 and real-world proof
 13:43 – TCO parity in France vs. Germany, and the coming EU carbon price on road transport
 16:21 – Grid bottlenecks: why France is an "El Dorado" and Germany's grid is fragmented
 23:06 – What makes Voltix different: Vinci's infrastructure DNA and operational excellence
 26:05 – Public charging only: en-route and destination charging for long-haul trucks
 29:23 – The rollout plan: first station in Vierzon, and the 2027-2028 roadmap
 31:03 – Expanding to five countries: Spain, Germany, Denmark, and Sweden
 33:05 – Megawatt charging, MCS vs. CCS, and the future of induction charging
 37:51 – Recap, the 90 million euro funding update, and closing thoughts
WHAT YOU'LL LEARN
Why public charging infrastructure, not battery technology, is the real bottleneck standing between Europe and electric long-haul trucking.
Why 2025 was a turning point for the industry, driven by real-world performance data from Mercedes' eActros 600 on long-haul routes.
How France has built a policy framework, purchase subsidies, depot-charging installation subsidies, and fiscal over-amortization, that already gets regional electric trucks to TCO parity with diesel.
Why Germany's toll exemption for electric trucks makes it just as strong a TCO story as France's, despite a much more fragmented grid to navigate.
How the EU's planned expansion of carbon pricing to road transport, expected around 2028, will further tilt the TCO math toward electric.
Why Louis argues Europe needs to abandon "first come, first served" grid connections in favor of anticipatory planning, using Vinci Autoroute's own highway grid-connection strategy as a working example.
How Voltix is using battery storage as a bridge to open charging stations even where grid connections are limited or delayed.
Why Voltix is building every station with both MCS and CCS connectors, and Louis's case for why a full megawatt of charging power could eventually let truck charging happen outside of drivers' regulatory breaks entirely.
NOTABLE QUOTES
"We cannot charge a truck with a tractor with its trailer on a DC charger for light vehicles. It just doesn't fit. So we need a dedicated infrastructure to charge electric trucks." — Louis Dupasquier
"One of the rules, the European mindset we have to change, is the first-arrived, first-served rule. We have to plan the grid connections. We know we will need power everywhere. We should not wait anymore for people to ask for it." — Louis Dupasquier
"We are not an energy company. We are not an oil company. We are not an electrician. We are not a gas company. But we are an infrastructure manager." — Louis Dupasquier
ABOUT THE GUEST
Louis Dupasquier is the CEO of Voltix, the Vinci Concessions company building megawatt-class public charging stations dedicated to electric trucks across Europe, and CEO of Easy Charge, a Vinci Group company operating public high-power charging networks for CPOs in France, including the E-Born network across the southeast of the country. Louis began his career as a civil servant at the French Ministry of Energy, working on nuclear power, offshore wind, and hydroelectric concessions, before joining Vinci roughly six years ago to lead deployment of thousands of high-power chargers across the French highway network starting in 2020. He founded Voltix in 2023 to address what he identifies as the central bottleneck to truck electrification: dedicated, high-power public charging infrastructure along Europe's main freight corridors. Under his leadership, Voltix has secured two rounds of EU CEF-AFIF funding and, most recently, a near-90-million-euro investment from Vinci Concessions, Épopée Gestion, and ADEME Investissement, with its first station set to open in Vierzon, France in autumn 2026.
Connect with Louis Dupasquier: https://www.linkedin.com/in/louisdupasquier/
 Voltix: https://www.voltix-charging.com/
RELATED LISTENING
For more on the grid-connection challenges facing truck fleet electrification, listen to Episode 51 with Martin of INTERFACE Nordics, who dug into the same grid-constraint and depot-charging communication problems Louis raises here, from a Nordic market perspective.
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Summary
EV charging infrastructure has largely solved the problem it set out to solve — the chargers work, the networks exist, drivers can find a plug. But at ICNC26 in Berlin this September, the industry's largest annual gathering built its entire theme around what comes next: "Collaboration at Scale: Establishing the Open Smart Charging Ecosystem." The premise is that interoperability can no longer stop at plugs and protocols; it has to extend into smart charging, grid data, and the deeper convergence of the energy and mobility sectors.
In this special multi-guest episode, recorded live on the ICNC26 show floor at Berlin's Tempelhof Airport, Christophe sits down with four people building pieces of that open ecosystem from very different vantage points. Joakim Arvidsson, co-founder of Peak Energy, brings a sales and solution-development background from the IT and security industries to the unglamorous but critical problem of grid cost transparency. Bradford Crist, CEO and co-founder of ChargeMate, spent a decade in EV charging — including leading DC fast-charging product development at Volta — before building an AI support layer for drivers and CPOs. Oumaima Bounouadar, co-founder and CEO of OCPP Lab, brings a data science background to a problem she lived firsthand: the slow, manual, physical-hardware-dependent grind of testing charging interoperability. And Jaap Burger, an independent EV grid-integration consultant, has spent years translating between EV charging innovation and the regulatory and policy world that governs it.
Together, these four conversations trace a single throughline: the industry has moved past "does it work" and into "does it pay off, does it scale, and does it actually talk to itself" — cost, revenue, testing rigor, and regulatory collaboration, all in service of the same open ecosystem ICNC26 put at the center of its stage.
What you'll learn
Why grid connection fees and transfer costs are a genuine "jungle" — scattered manually across individual DSO websites with no standardized definitions of peak, average, or seasonal pricing, according to Joakim Arvidsson.
How the EV charging market's priorities have shifted in distinct phases: first hardware rollout speed, then reliability and user experience, and now — per Arvidsson — cost and profitability.
Why Bradford Crist believes AI-driven driver support should be judged on revenue recovery and retention, not just cost reduction, which he calls "cost of entry" rather than a real differentiator.
What ChargeMate's new partnership with Percepta (a Ford tech joint venture) adds to its AI-plus-human support model for large automotive and charging providers.
Why Oumaima Bounouadar and her co-founder built OCPP Lab's continuous interoperability testing platform after experiencing firsthand how slow and resource-intensive manual OCPP/OCPI testing was — up to 30 minutes per basic scenario, requiring a physical charger, an EV, and two specialized engineers.
Why component-level testing (unit and integration tests) isn't enough on its own — drivers experience the full charging journey end-to-end, and many real issues only surface when systems interact.
Why Jaap Burger sees a widening gap between technical maturity and regulatory conversation: charge point operators are constrained by grid capacity but rarely bring the resulting flexibility-value opportunity directly to regulators and DSOs.
Why real-world vehicle-to-grid deployments are still earlier-stage than expected two years ago, even as unidirectional smart charging has become close to a default assumption in depot and HGV charging business cases.
Notable quotes
"I think it's a hidden cost that not anyone understands. You have the utility cost, the kilowatt hours, and then you have the grid cost — the connection fee, the transfer fees. And the grid owners can define them as they want." — Joakim Arvidsson, Peak Energy
"There's a lot of people able to offer lower costs with AI tools. That's cost of entry. What we're really focused on is providing an experience that recovers revenue and retains customers." — Bradford Crist, ChargeMate
"Ultimately the driver experiences the entire charging journey, not just an isolated component — and many issues only appear when those systems start interacting." — Oumaima Bounouadar, OCPP Lab
About the guests
Joakim Arvidsson is co-founder of Peak Energy, which helps charge point operators and CPMS providers understand and control the hidden costs of grid connections — including capacity fees and peak charges that vary widely and opaquely across distribution system operators. Arvidsson brings a background in solution sales from the IT and security industries, applying that same "translate a complex technical cost into something a business can act on" approach to grid economics for the EV charging sector.
Bradford Crist is CEO and co-founder of ChargeMate, an AI-powered support platform for EV drivers and charge point operators. He spent the last decade working across the EV charging industry, including several years as a product manager at Volta Charging leading DC fast-charging, payments, and mobile app development, and earlier experience with Hubject during its US market entry. Crist founded ChargeMate after seeing firsthand how even highly "online" charging networks still generated significant friction at the point of use.
Oumaima Bounouadar is co-founder and CEO of OCPP Lab, a Paris-based (Station F) startup building a continuous interoperability testing platform for the EV charging ecosystem. With a mathematics background and five years of experience as a data scientist — including at an e-mobility operator, where she first encountered the problem she'd later build a company around — Bounouadar co-founded OCPP Lab roughly ten months ago to let companies simulate and test integrations across protocols like OCPP and OCPI without needing physical hardware for every test.
Jaap Burger is an independent consultant focused on EV grid integration — smart and bidirectional charging viewed through a combined regulatory, policy, innovation, and user-facing lens. His work centers on translating between what's happening in policy and regulation and what's happening at the leading edge of EV charging innovation, helping each side understand what's realistically possible today and in the near future.
Episode chapters
00:00 — Welcome & episode intro
02:25 — Joakim Arvidsson (Peak Energy): The grid cost jungle
08:24 — Bradford Crist (ChargeMate): AI support built for revenue, not just cost
16:29 — Oumaima Bounouadar (OCPP Lab): Testing the full charging journey
23:51 — Jaap Burger: Bridging the CPO–regulator gap
32:03 — Wrap-up & key takeaways
Runtime: ~34 minutes
Links
Joakim Arvidsson: linkedin.com/in/joakim-arvidsson-ab0135
Bradford Crist: linkedin.com/in/bradford-crist-787a5519
Oumaima Bounouadar: linkedin.com/in/oumaima-bounouadar-a31221198 | OCPP Lab: www.ocpplab.com
Jaap Burger: linkedin.com/in/jaapburger
Related listening
For more on the regulatory and DSO side of the flexibility conversation Jaap Burger raises here, check out our episodes with Julia Hildermeier, Zsuzsanna Pató, and Jan Rosenow of RAP (Regulatory Assistance Project), three separate deep dives into grid congestion, smart charging economics, and time-of-use tariff policy across Europe and the UK.
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Summary
Grid connections rarely deliver the full power a CPO has actually contracted for. Ask a distribution grid operator for enough capacity to run ten fast chargers at rated power, and the answer is almost always less than what's on paper — and reinforcing a grid connection takes years and billions of euros, while integrating a battery takes months. That mismatch in timelines is why co-located battery energy storage systems (BESS) are quickly moving from a nice-to-have to a near-default requirement for serious EV charging infrastructure.
In this episode, Christophe Lephilibert sits down with Michel Verschuere, founder and managing director of Yuso, a Belgian balance service provider (BSP) that has grown into a major flexibility player across Belgium, the Netherlands, the UK, and the Baltic states. A physicist by training who has been trading electricity since 2003, Michel built Yuso in 2012 around the idea that batteries and other flexible assets should actively participate in the energy market, not just sit idle as backup. Today Yuso manages roughly 500 megawatts of grid-scale flexibility — and an increasing share of that flexibility now sits behind EV chargers.
The conversation covers why the EV charging industry's usual playbook for flexibility revenue doesn't fully apply to charging sites, why the "duck curve" utilities have talked about for years is turning into a "canyon curve" in solar-heavy markets, and what's actually driving reliable value for charge point operators (CPOs) today. Michel also walks through a live, named example of how this works in practice: a three-way partnership between FLEXECHARGE, Yuso, and battery hardware provider Intercell, deployed on a real Q8 Electric site in Belgium - with FLEXECHARGE named as one of Yuso's own certified energy management system (EMS) partners.
What You'll Learn in This Episode
Why grid congestion, not charger hardware cost, is the real reason co-located BESS is becoming essential for CPOs, and why grid reinforcement timelines make batteries the faster path to more usable capacity
What the "duck curve" is, why growing solar penetration is turning it into a "canyon curve" in markets like California, and what that means for when a CPO's battery should charge and discharge
Why classic ancillary services like FCR and aFRR are often a poor fit for CPO sites specifically — they're contracted directly with transmission system operators (TSOs) and priced in kilowatts, the exact resource a charging site can least afford to commit away from serving drivers
Where real, reliable flexibility value exists today for charge point operators: peak shaving against grid connection limits, day-ahead price optimization, and capturing swings in the imbalance market (Belgium has recorded imbalance prices as extreme as -15,000 EUR/MWh)
Why "full-stack" flexibility revenue pitches are, in Michel's words, usually "over-promised and under-delivered"
How a real three-way partner stack actually operates on a live site: FLEXECHARGE as the energy management system, Yuso as the balance service provider reading the market, and Intercell supplying the battery hardware
What Michel recommends any CPO check first before trying to monetize a battery: whether it can realistically close the site's kilowatt gap, correct sizing, and choosing the right combination of partners
Notable Quotes
"Three-letter abbreviations do not lower an invoice. The actual EUR delta does." 
"We have our own internal certification scheme, and this is why FLEXeCHARGE is one of the certified partners on our website." — Michel Verschuere
About the Guest
Michel Verschuere is the founder and managing director of Yuso, a Belgian balance service provider and energy flexibility company he launched in 2012. A physicist by background, Michel has been active in European electricity trading since 2003. Yuso today manages approximately 500 megawatts of grid-scale flexibility across Belgium, the Netherlands, the UK, and the Baltic states.
Connect with Michel: linkedin.com/in/michel-verschuere-28abb56
Learn more about Yuso: yuso.com/nl
Related listening: for more on CPOs integrating battery storage at scale, check out our earlier conversation with Q8 Electric and Intercell on deploying co-located BESS across Benelux fast-charging sites.
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How do you transform a major fuel-retail network into a scalable EV charging business? 
Marvin Bechtel from ORLEN shares how the company is expanding its EV charging network while navigating site selection, grid constraints, technical complexity and changing customer expectations. The conversation explores what it takes to move from individual charging sites to a standardised, reliable and customer-centric network - and why charging speed alone will not differentiate tomorrow’s leading Charge Point Operators. 
Episode summary 
ORLEN operates approximately 3,500 service stations across seven European countries, including around 600 in Germany. Its ambition is to evolve from a traditional fuel retailer into an integrated energy and mobility provider, with EV charging as a central pillar of that transformation. 
Marvin explains how ORLEN approaches charging locations across Germany and Eastern Europe, from existing service stations and retail destinations to dedicated high-power charging hubs. He also shares why selecting the right location remains one of the most important factors in building a commercially successful charging network. 
As the rollout grows, the challenges change. Managing a handful of chargers is very different from operating hundreds of charging points across multiple locations, technical environments and grid operators. Standardisation therefore becomes critical- helping teams accelerate deployment, simplify commissioning and reduce operational complexity. 
The discussion also looks ahead to battery energy storage systems, solar integration, dynamic pricing and smarter energy management. As charging speeds become increasingly similar across networks, Marvin believes convenience, reliability, transparent pricing and the overall customer experience will become much stronger differentiators. 
What you will learn 
How ORLEN is transforming from a fuel retailer into an integrated energy and mobility provider 
What EV charging means for the future of traditional service stations 
Why prime locations remain essential to charging-network utilisation and profitability 
How EV adoption and grid readiness differ across Germany and Eastern Europe 
What changes when a CPO moves from individual projects to a large charging network 
Why site selection should not be driven solely by the easiest grid connection 
How grid limitations and physical space affect charging-site development 
Why standardisation can accelerate rollout and reduce operational complexity 
How failed commissioning can delay an entire charging site 
How FLEXBOX and the HARMON-E platform support a repeatable operational approach 
Where battery storage, solar power, load management and dynamic pricing could add value 
Why charging speed alone will become less of a competitive differentiator 
What may separate successful Charge Point Operators from the rest over the next three to five years 
About the guest 
Marvin Bechtel is responsible for ORLEN’s e-mobility business in the German market. After joining ORLEN in 2017, he worked in communications and public relations before moving into business development, where he helped develop the company’s mobile payment application for fuel and car-wash services. 
In 2023, Marvin took on responsibility for building and scaling ORLEN’s EV charging activities in Germany. His work covers charging-network strategy, site development, operational excellence and the creation of a consistent customer experience across ORLEN Charge locations. 
Connect with Marvin Bechtel on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marvin-bechtel/ 
Key topics 
EV charging infrastructure · CPO strategy · charging-network scalability · ORLEN Charge · service-station transformation · charging-site selection · grid capacity · DNO requirements · charging-hub operations · commissioning · standardisation · FLEXBOX · HARMON-E · load management · battery energy storage systems · dynamic EV charging prices · customer experience · Germany · Eastern Europe 
Resources 
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