The Art of Charm

• Stress Isn’t the Enemy: The Science of Peak Leadership Performance | Sebastien Page

  In this episode of The Art of Charm, we sit down with Sebastien Page — Chief Investment Officer at T. Rowe Price and author of The Psychology of Leadership — to explore what world-class leadership really looks like. Blending sports psychology, positive psychology, and personality science, Sebastien unpacks the mental habits of resilient leaders, the science behind stress optimization, and the silent traps that sabotage ambition. He reveals why perfection isn't the goal, why some stress is critical to peak performance, and why goals—if unchecked—can lead to ethical and personal blind spots. If you're a driven professional seeking clarity, impact, and self-mastery, this conversation will give you a psychological edge that most leaders miss. What to Listen For [00:00] Why “no stress” is not the goal — and why some stress makes you perform better [00:06:41] The misunderstood link between flow, performance, and leadership engagement [00:10:01] Stress tolerance affects team dynamics [00:13:59] The dangerous myth of the “always calm” leader [00:17:07] The hidden power of quality relationships in long-term success [00:21:29] Why goal setting without wisdom leads to burnout or regret [00:38:44] Defining your own core values vs. chasing someone else's metrics [00:42:30] The Big Five Personality Traits and how they transform leadership empathy [00:56:59] How to harness social comparison as a competitive advantage — without letting it destroy your self-worth Episode Takeaways: Stress is not the enemy. Managed correctly, it’s the fuel for your best performance and presence. Leadership doesn’t mean suppressing emotion. It means learning how to channel it to create clarity for others. Goal setting is powerful — but without meaning, you risk losing everything that matters chasing things that don’t. Self-awareness begins with understanding how your personality shapes your leadership Don’t wait for “the perfect team.” Instead, test, adapt, and build self-aware systems that evolve with context. Your most important asset isn’t strategy — it’s trust. A Word From Our Sponsors Tired of awkward handshakes and collecting business cards without building real connections? Dive into our Free Social Capital Networking Masterclass. Learn practical strategies to make your interactions meaningful and boost your confidence in any social situation. Sign up for free at theartofcharm.com/sc and elevate your networking from awkward to awesome. Don’t miss out on a network of opportunities! Unleash the power of covert networking to infiltrate high-value circles and build a 7-figure network in just 90 days. Ready to start? Check out our CIA-proven guide to networking like a spy! Indulge in affordable luxury with Quince—where high-end essentials meet unbeatable prices. Upgrade your wardrobe today at quince.com/charm for free shipping and hassle-free returns. Ready to turn your business idea into reality? Shopify makes it easy to start, scale, and succeed—whether you're launching a side hustle or building the next big brand. Sign up for your $1/month trial at shopify.com/charm. Need to hire top talent—fast? Skip the waiting game and get more qualified applicants with Indeed. Claim your $75 Sponsored Job Credit now at Indeed.com/charm. Curious about your influence level?  Get your Influence Index Score today! Take this 60-second quiz to find out how your influence stacks up against top performers at theartofcharm.com/influence. Resources from this Episode The Psychology of Leadership: Timeless principles to improve your management of individuals, teams… and yourself! Sebastien Page on LinkedIn Harvard’s 80-year study on happiness and relationships The Yerkes-Dodson Law (stress vs. performance curve) Check in with AJ and Johnny! AJ on LinkedIn Johnny on LinkedIn AJ on Instagram Johnny on Instagram The Art of Charm on Instagram The Art of Charm on YouTube The Art of Charm on TikTok Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• The Power of Imperfection: Make Better Decisions, Take Real Action | Oliver Burkeman

  In this episode of The Art of Charm, we sit down with bestselling author and productivity renegade Oliver Burkeman to unpack his refreshingly honest approach to time, ambition, and self-worth. Drawing from his latest book Meditations for Mortals, Oliver introduces a new philosophy he calls Imperfectionism — a radical shift from hustle culture and perfection paralysis. We discuss the psychology of high achievers who constantly feel behind, the traps of productivity debt, and how letting go of perfection can paradoxically lead to real momentum, deeper relationships, and a more meaningful life. If you're constantly stuck between ambition and exhaustion, trying to “optimize” your way into fulfillment, this conversation might just be the permission slip you didn’t know you needed. What to Listen For [00:00] Why all decisions come with a downside — and why that’s freeing [00:03:55] What is “Imperfectionism,” and how can it help you escape productivity traps? [00:08:05] How comparison and perfectionism stop you from building meaningful connections [00:13:52] Why authenticity beats polish — in branding, leadership, and life [00:22:46] “Productivity debt” — and how it silently undermines your confidence [00:29:18] What is decision hunting, and how does it unlock real momentum? [00:33:55] Why one small outreach can reconnect you to a lost part of yourself [00:40:25] The surprising key to building lasting habits (hint: it’s not willpower) [00:44:00] The “Reverse Golden Rule” that every people-pleaser needs to hear [00:53:36] Oliver’s favorite meditation for starting from sanity Episode Takeaways: You’re not lazy — you’re stuck in the illusion of finding a perfect decision. Accepting your finitude might be your greatest advantage. Momentum doesn’t come from thinking your way into action. Start small. Make a decision. Any decision. The most powerful personal brand you can build is the one where you drop the mask. If your perfectionism is driving your productivity, it’s probably also driving your burnout. You can’t outsource meaning — you have to make the hard trade-offs and choose your consequences intentionally. Start embodying who you want to be now, not later. Even 10 minutes a day can shift your identity. A Word From Our Sponsors Tired of awkward handshakes and collecting business cards without building real connections? Dive into our Free Social Capital Networking Masterclass. Learn practical strategies to make your interactions meaningful and boost your confidence in any social situation. Sign up for free at theartofcharm.com/sc and elevate your networking from awkward to awesome. Don’t miss out on a network of opportunities! Unleash the power of covert networking to infiltrate high-value circles and build a 7-figure network in just 90 days. Ready to start? Check out our CIA-proven guide to networking like a spy! Indulge in affordable luxury with Quince—where high-end essentials meet unbeatable prices. Upgrade your wardrobe today at quince.com/charm for free shipping and hassle-free returns. Ready to turn your business idea into reality? Shopify makes it easy to start, scale, and succeed—whether you're launching a side hustle or building the next big brand. Sign up for your $1/month trial at shopify.com/charm. Need to hire top talent—fast? Skip the waiting game and get more qualified applicants with Indeed. Claim your $75 Sponsored Job Credit now at Indeed.com/charm. Curious about your influence level?  Get your Influence Index Score today! Take this 60-second quiz to find out how your influence stacks up against top performers at theartofcharm.com/influence. Resources from this Episode Meditations for Mortals: Four Weeks to Embrace Your Limitations and Make Time for What Counts Oliver Burkeman’s website Check in with AJ and Johnny! AJ on LinkedIn Johnny on LinkedIn AJ on Instagram Johnny on Instagram The Art of Charm on Instagram The Art of Charm on YouTube The Art of Charm on TikTok Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• Validation Ladder: 8 Skills That Build Incredible Relationships | Dr. Caroline Fleck

  In today’s episode, we’re joined by Dr. Caroline Fleck—licensed psychologist, corporate consultant, and Stanford adjunct. With years of clinical practice and executive coaching under her belt, Dr. Fleck has developed powerful validation techniques that help high performers build authentic relationships and navigate complex conversations. Her groundbreaking work, detailed in her new book, Validation, transforms the way professionals connect both personally and professionally.  Join us for a compelling conversation with Dr. Caroline Fleck as she reveals why the art of validation is your secret weapon—and how embracing vulnerability, strategic empathy, and even unconventional self-disclosure can transform your leadership. Dr. Fleck shares proven insights from her work in clinical psychology and executive coaching, and explains why emotional intelligence is your ultimate edge in today's fast-paced world. What to Listen For Introduction – 00:00:00 Why is validation psychology’s best-kept secret—and how is it different from praise or agreement? The Eight Levels of Validation – 00:04:10 What are the eight levels of validation, and how do they build on each other to create emotional depth and rapport? Why is attending the foundation of every meaningful interaction—and how can you practice it today? What makes copying such a surprisingly powerful way to signal connection and build trust? Contextualizing and Equalizing – 00:23:06 How does contextualizing help you understand behavior that seems irrational or frustrating on the surface? What’s the key to equalizing without hijacking the conversation or minimizing the other person’s experience? Proposing and Taking Action – 00:36:43 How can you “listen to the unsaid” and use proposing to surface unspoken thoughts or emotions? How can misusing action harm relationships—and what should you do instead? Emoting and Disclosure – 00:47:10 Why is emoting such a powerful signal of empathy, and how can you practice it without feeling awkward? What makes disclosure the highest—and riskiest—form of validation, especially in professional settings? Why emotional intelligence is more essential than ever in the age of AI A Word From Our Sponsors Tired of awkward handshakes and collecting business cards without building real connections? Dive into our Free Social Capital Networking Masterclass. Learn practical strategies to make your interactions meaningful and boost your confidence in any social situation. Sign up for free at theartofcharm.com/sc and elevate your networking from awkward to awesome. Don’t miss out on a network of opportunities! Unleash the power of covert networking to infiltrate high-value circles and build a 7-figure network in just 90 days. Ready to start? Check out our CIA-proven guide to networking like a spy! Indulge in affordable luxury with Quince—where high-end essentials meet unbeatable prices. Upgrade your wardrobe today at quince.com/charm for free shipping and hassle-free returns. Ready to turn your business idea into reality? Shopify makes it easy to start, scale, and succeed—whether you're launching a side hustle or building the next big brand. Sign up for your $1/month trial at shopify.com/charm. Need to hire top talent—fast? Skip the waiting game and get more qualified applicants with Indeed. Claim your $75 Sponsored Job Credit now at Indeed.com/charm. Curious about your influence level?  Get your Influence Index Score today! Take this 60-second quiz to find out how your influence stacks up against top performers at theartofcharm.com/influence. Resources from this Episode Validation: How the Skill Set That Revolutionized Psychology Will Transform Your Relationships, Increase Your Influence, and Change Your Life Dr Caroline Fleck’s website Check in with AJ and Johnny! AJ on LinkedIn Johnny on LinkedIn AJ on Instagram Johnny on Instagram The Art of Charm on Instagram The Art of Charm on YouTube The Art of Charm on TikTok Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 9 'Bad' Traits That Get You Promoted | Jenny Wood

  In today’s episode, we’re joined by Jenny Wood—career coach, former Google executive, and author of Wild Courage. Over 18 years at Google, Jenny rose from entry-level to executive and created one of the company’s largest career development programs. Her work focuses on breaking the myths of professional success and teaching high performers how to reclaim “taboo” traits—like being shameless, weird, or even manipulative—to build authentic relationships, increase visibility, and take control of their careers. Introduction Join us for a bold and insightful conversation with Jenny Wood as she reveals why playing it safe is holding you back—and how to reclaim traits like weird, shameless, and even manipulative to fuel career growth. Jenny shares hard-earned lessons from her rise to executive at Google, the power of strategic visibility, and why soft skills are your ultimate edge in the AI era. What to Listen For Introduction – 00:00:00 What separates high performers who rise from those who stagnate in their careers? What soft skills do tens of thousands of high performers crave—despite excelling technically? Visibility, Influence, and Strategic Self-Promotion – 00:05:21 Why managing your boss isn't enough—and what it means to “manage higher” and “manage diagonally” How to get noticed before a promotion cycle even begins. What’s the right way to brag—and how do you do it without sounding arrogant? Reclaiming “Taboo” Traits – 00:17:31 What are the nine negative traits Jenny says you must reclaim—and why are they the key to getting ahead? How do bold, assertive actions (like chasing someone off a subway) illustrate professional courage? Why being manipulative might actually make you a better leader Frameworks That Help You Win – 00:34:27 How to use the “WIN” framework to advocate for your needs without guilt Why saying “yes” to everything might be sabotaging your career What is the “SAFE” framework for giving clear, kind, and honest feedback? Is It Time to Leave? – 00:48:01 What’s the FLIP framework—and how can it help you decide whether to stay or go? How to know when your manager is holding you back—and when it’s time to make your move A Word From Our Sponsors Tired of awkward handshakes and collecting business cards without building real connections? Dive into our Free Social Capital Networking Masterclass. Learn practical strategies to make your interactions meaningful and boost your confidence in any social situation. Sign up for free at theartofcharm.com/sc and elevate your networking from awkward to awesome. Don’t miss out on a network of opportunities! Unleash the power of covert networking to infiltrate high-value circles and build a 7-figure network in just 90 days. Ready to start? Check out our CIA-proven guide to networking like a spy! Indulge in affordable luxury with Quince—where high-end essentials meet unbeatable prices. Upgrade your wardrobe today at quince.com/charm for free shipping and hassle-free returns. Ready to turn your business idea into reality? Shopify makes it easy to start, scale, and succeed—whether you're launching a side hustle or building the next big brand. Sign up for your $1/month trial at shopify.com/charm. Need to hire top talent—fast? Skip the waiting game and get more qualified applicants with Indeed. Claim your $75 Sponsored Job Credit now at Indeed.com/charm. Curious about your influence level?  Get your Influence Index Score today! Take this 60-second quiz to find out how your influence stacks up against top performers at theartofcharm.com/influence. Resources from this Episode Jenny Wood’s website Wild Courage: Go After What You Want and Get It Jenny Wood on LinkedIn Check in with AJ and Johnny! AJ on LinkedIn Johnny on LinkedIn AJ on Instagram Johnny on Instagram The Art of Charm on Instagram The Art of Charm on YouTube The Art of Charm on TikTok Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• How to Win Without Burning Out | Steve Magness

  Today's guest is Steve Magness, a world-renowned expert on human performance and resilience. As the bestselling author of Do Hard Things and Win the Inside Game, Steve has coached Olympic athletes, executives, and high performers to break through mental barriers and sustain success. With a background in sports science and psychology, he explores the hidden forces that shape motivation, decision-making, and well-being. His latest book reveals why traditional success mindsets often backfire—and how shifting to a quest-driven approach can help you thrive in both work and life. Join us for a powerful conversation with Steve Magness as he reveals why the mindset that drives success can also sabotage happiness and long-term growth. How does the pressure to achieve create hidden barriers to fulfillment? What separates those who thrive from those who burn out? Steve shares deep insights into performance psychology, the dangers of an outcome-obsessed culture, and the key mindset shift that elite athletes and high performers use to sustain success. What to Listen For Introduction – 00:00:00 Why does an outcome-obsessed mindset increase stress and sabotage long-term performance? What can Olympic athletes teach us about shifting from a performance mindset to a quest mindset? Escaping Survival Mode and Overcoming Anxiety – 00:13:19 What are the subtle signs that you’re stuck in survival mode? Why does the human brain struggle with uncertainty, and how can you use that knowledge to your advantage? Balancing Achievement and Enjoyment – 00:24:36 How do elite performers reframe failure to fuel their growth instead of destroying their confidence? What three key elements make up a resilient personal narrative, and how can you develop yours? The Exploration vs. Commitment Dilemma – 00:38:57 How does modern technology distort our expectations in relationships, careers, and personal growth? What strategies can help you balance exploration with meaningful commitment? Moving from Passive Consumption to Active Creation – 00:43:08 How can you design your environment to prioritize deep work and meaningful progress? How do elite performers detach from short-term results while maintaining high standards? A Word From Our Sponsors Tired of awkward handshakes and collecting business cards without building real connections? Dive into our Free Social Capital Networking Masterclass. Learn practical strategies to make your interactions meaningful and boost your confidence in any social situation. Sign up for free at theartofcharm.com/sc and elevate your networking from awkward to awesome. Don’t miss out on a network of opportunities! Unleash the power of covert networking to infiltrate high-value circles and build a 7-figure network in just 90 days. Ready to start? Check out our CIA-proven guide to networking like a spy! Indulge in affordable luxury with Quince—where high-end essentials meet unbeatable prices. Upgrade your wardrobe today at quince.com/charm for free shipping and hassle-free returns. Ready to turn your business idea into reality? Shopify makes it easy to start, scale, and succeed—whether you're launching a side hustle or building the next big brand. Sign up for your $1/month trial at shopify.com/charm. Need to hire top talent—fast? Skip the waiting game and get more qualified applicants with Indeed. Claim your $75 Sponsored Job Credit now at Indeed.com/charm. Curious about your influence level?  Get your Influence Index Score today! Take this 60-second quiz to find out how your influence stacks up against top performers at theartofcharm.com/influence. Resources from this Episode Steve Magness’s website Win the Inside Game: How to Move from Surviving to Thriving, and Free Yourself Up to Perform Steve Magness on Instagram Check in with AJ and Johnny! AJ on LinkedIn Johnny on LinkedIn AJ on Instagram Johnny on Instagram The Art of Charm on Instagram The Art of Charm on YouTube The Art of Charm on TikTok Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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