First of Kind

What do Anthropic, Facebook, Pinterest and Stripe all have in common?

Everett Katigbak has played a foundational creative role at some of the most iconic brands in technology. His film work documents the stories of seminal figures who have shaped culture, such as his documentary projects on Stewart Brand and Luis Valdez.

In this in-depth conversation at his beautiful San Francisco home, Everett describes the “golden thread” that weaves through his non-linear career path, the importance of humanizing infrastructure, and why he believes your side hustle is actually your “true form.” 

As of this recording, Everett has set out on his own to develop an independent creative practice. After years behind the camera, tech’s “brand guru” steps out in front of it.

00:00 Intro: “Your side hustle is your true form”
03:01 Making Facebook Feel Human
05:04 Getting Hired Because You Don’t Fit
08:10 Why San Francisco? Place Before Job
11:33 Analog Research Lab origins & mantras
13:35 Propaganda, Self-Talk, and Shaping Company Culture
16:32 Designing for Engagement vs. Meaning
17:18 Living in Contradictions: Anachronist Meets Futurist
19:27 How to Pick the Right Company (A Nose for What’s Next)
21:03 Expansion vs. Mastery: A Different Kind of Career Path
24:00 Going Independent
26:24 Inside Cursor as a “Cultural Sleuth”
28:49 Stories of Unseen Figures: Luis Valdez, Stewart Brand
32:00 Closing: Advice for Future Pioneers

S2:E6 Everett Katigbak: Indie Streak
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What if you designed a new class of vehicle from the ground up?

Joseph Cohen first cofounded Universe, the mobile-first website builder, before turning his attention to the physical world. He and his brother Eddie Cohen now run Infinite Machine, an automotive company reimagining how people move through cities — not with cars, but with something entirely new, starting with the electric motorcycle.

We met at Infinite Machine's headquarters in New York City, where Joe walked us through the design philosophy behind “non-car” vehicles, why electrification unlocks radical new form factors, and what it means to bet on autonomous people over autonomous cars.

00:00 – Intro: Color Outside the Lines
01:50 – A New Symbol for Freedom
05:52 – The Stolen Vespa
09:49 – The P1 vs. The Vision Pro
12:52 – Hard Modernism
17:26 – Painters Who Paint Factories
19:42 – Ten Times the Trips
23:33 – The Vespa Has No Engine
27:51 – Ask New Questions
32:00 – The Company as Medium
34:11 – Outro: What Memories Will You Make

S2:E5 Joseph Cohen: Infinite Ride
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When do you know to pivot or surrender?

Koen Bok and Jorn van Dijk co-founded Framer, the web design platform that helps designers ship beautiful sites fast. 55% of YC companies run on it. Designers love it. But Framer almost didn't make it.

What began as a high-fidelity prototyping tool born inside Facebook's design culture became—after a near-death pivot five years in—the premier site builder for designers who ship. 

Over drinks at the Lone Palm in San Francisco, Koen and Jorn recall what it took to step back from the brink of oblivion and chart a new course — for themselves and the field of digital design.

00:00 Intro: Lone Palm, Last Call
01:34 What is Framer Today?
02:39 Pick a Problem You Love
06:14 Three Interactions to Fifty
08:20 Rough Riding / Why VC is Good
11:38 Three Options Left
14:31 The Pivotal Lunch
20:46 Act III: Solving the Walkie-Talkie
29:08 Artistry meets Wall Street
32:20 Stay Weird, Keep Building

Special thanks to Jane Seabrook and the Lone Palm team for permitting us to film the first ever video podcast at their storied bar.

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Koen Bok & Jorn van Dijk: Framer Reloaded
First of Kind, S2:E4
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What can flying teach us about software design?

Katie Dill has built world-class teams at three iconic companies—Stripe, Lyft and Airbnb—proving that thoughtful design can shape quality at industrial scale.

In this conversation with Soleio, Katie describes her winding path into technology and how fields as disparate as architecture and aviation shape her approach to leading design at Stripe.

00:00 – Intro: It's All About Mileage
02:18 – What Flying Teaches You About Design
07:01 – From History to Design School
10:30 – The IDEO Moment
18:01 – Saying Yes to the Scary Thing
19:46 – The Chair Pullback
21:16 – The Gray Room at Airbnb
25:47 – Breaking Down the Ivory Tower
30:05 – Put In the Mileage
33:35 – Beauty Builds Trust
36:53 – Steam Gauges and Simple Systems
38:53 – The Best Checkout in the World

Katie Dill: Quality Control
First of Kind, S2:E3
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What is the future of design in a post-AI world?
Ryo Lu pioneered new patterns for collaboration as founding designer at Notion. He now leads design at Cursor, shaping how software gets built through a fusion of design and engineering. 
In this conversation with Soleio, he explains Cursor's approach to design and how the product will evolve to empower designers who build.
00:00 – Intro: The future of design
01:49 – What is design at Cursor?
02:50 – How the team actually works
04:46 – Generalists, Self-Starters, Ex-Founders
07:34 – Building Cursor inside Cursor
10:45 – The next level: Agents & Abstraction
13:48 – Pattern language
18:24 – A lingua franca for builders
20:34 – Baby Cursor
23:45 – The new shape of designer
26:10 – Does AI distribute or concentrate power?
29:43 – Why Cursor is the tool you should learn
30:54 – A new design philosophy
32:36 – Where the path leads
S2:E2 Ryo Lu: The Way
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