Trezor Talks

Kevin Follonier, founder of the When Shift Happens podcast, reveals the reason he doesn’t own a house and why traditional investing is quietly losing people money.

“I never trusted the system. That's why I built companies.”

That mindset eventually led Kevin to launch the When Shift Happens Podcast, where he interviews the biggest voices in crypto and business.

Don’t miss out on Kevin’s rollercoaster of a story into crypto:
• Taking a plane for a 15-minute coffee about Bitcoin
• Fixing the big reputation problem in crypto
• Surviving the 2022 market crash
• Travelling around the world for in-person only podcasts

Kevin also talks about working with Steven Bartlett (founder of The Diary Of A CEO) and what he learned about high performers while building his show.

Timestamps:
(00:00) - Intro
(01:02) - Crypto’s reputation problem
(03:00) - Why people think crypto is a scam
(06:18) - Kevin’s first business & health crisis
(07:50) - Discovering Bitcoin in the bear market
(09:17) - The coffee that changed everything
(10:10) - Reading The Bitcoin Standard
(11:46) - Bitcoin as the new internet
(13:03) - Why the system is designed against you
(14:30) - The hidden hurdle rate problem
(15:22) - Why real estate is losing money
(16:40) - Bitcoin vs traditional investing
(18:00) - Why fiat currency always loses value
(20:00) - Everything feels expensive today
(22:15) - People are financially stressed
(23:33) - What people want to watch
(25:00) - Building the When Shift Happens podcast
(27:45) - Recording 16 podcasts in one week
(29:12) - The imposter syndrome of crypto wealth
(32:00) - FTX crash
(33:40) - Podcasting is networking on steroids
(37:52) - The Naomi Campbell NFT story
(40:30) - The moment the channel exploded
(47:30) - Why in-studio podcasts win
(50:00) - The science behind YouTube thumbnails
(57:00) - Flying around the world for guests
(01:01:20) - What successful people are really like
(01:03:05) - The hidden cost of success
(01:07:20) - Why most people quit too early
(01:09:30) - Kevin’s dream podcast guests (outro)

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The current financial and education systems aren’t just broken, they’re failing the next generation.
In this episode of Trezor Talks, Sean sits down with Lina Seiche, creator of The Little HODLer, to explore why financial education matters, how inflation has been normalized, and why people should understand money before they’re encouraged to take on debt.
Lina shares her journey from musician to Bitcoin educator, how The Little HODLer grew into a global project, and what it’s really like working with the Ministry of Education in El Salvador to teach kids about value, savings, and ownership.

In this conversation, you’ll learn:
• Why “financial freedom” means control, not wealth
• How inflation has been quietly normalized
• Why we don’t teach kids about money (and what it costs us)
• How Lina went from webcomics to government collaboration
• What self-custody really means in everyday life

Timestamps:
(00:00) - “Hey Jude”…
(00:50) - Welcome Lina! (and Sean speaks German… basically)
(04:34) - The Little HODLer story
(06:17) - How it all started: building a company
(09:39) - Bitcoin CRASH 💀
(11:30) - First viral moment
(12:30) - Creating Bitcoin comic strips during lockdown
(14:59) - A Little HODLer plushie is born… ✨
(18:01) - No business plan
(18:52) - Bitcoin Miami 2021
(19:35) - Little HODLer iceberg (more than a cute plushie)
(22:43) - How Lina connected with Trezor
(28:48) - Getting into Bitcoin (2017) 💊
(32:51) - Brötchen inflation
(35:01) - Reading The Internet of Money (questioning the system)
(36:11) - Germany’s saver mindset
(37:40) - Why sending fiat internationally sucks
(38:18) - Spending in bitcoin
(38:34) - Bitcoin jobs
(39:24) - Is Bitcoin still accessible?
(39:54) - Meeting the President of El Salvador
(41:00) - Going to Bitcoin mecca
(43:17) - Bitcoin education project with the Ministry of Education
(45:09) - This is how you teach people about money
(46:15) - Debt slavery
(47:42) - Working with governments to educate kids about money
(50:59) - Self-custody as the orange pill 🍊
(53:49) - This should be normal…
(57:23) - ATM fees & banking pain points 💀
(58:53) - This will affect everyone in the future
(01:01:01) - NGU won’t keep you around
(01:01:48) - A warning
(01:05:21) - What’s it like in El Salvador
(01:12:13) - Sean tries to give bitcoin to a tour guide
(01:14:11) - Bitcoin volcano mining, fact or myth? 🌋
(01:14:49) - What if Bitcoin didn’t exist? (Outro)

Check out Little HODLer: https://thelittlehodler.com/
Protect your bitcoin with Trezor: https://trezor.io/

They didn’t just buy Bitcoin, they rebuilt their lives around it. In this episode, Sean sits down with Giacomo Zucco & Mir Liponi, the driving force behind the Plan B Network, a movement dedicated to hard money education, community building, and supporting Bitcoin-centric startups.

In this episode, you’ll learn:
• Why they quit their traditional careers to focus on Bitcoin
• What the early Italian Bitcoin scene looked like
• Why in-person connections are key to long-term adoption
• How they're helping people get real jobs in Bitcoin (and what most people get wrong)

Timestamps:
(00:00) - Meta welcome
(01:28) - Bitcoin culture in Italy 🇮🇹
(09:55) - Radicalization in Italy post-lockdowns
(13:08) - Sharing the orange pill 💊
(16:00) - Quitting traditional jobs for Bitcoin
(17:44) - Starting a movement from meetups
(21:07) - The early days of Bitcoin in Italy
(22:52) - Bitcoin conferences then vs. now
(29:00) - Bitcoin adoption
(32:16) - Getting into Bitcoin be like…
(32:53) - Honey Badger meme origin 🦡
(34:10) - How Plan B Network started
(40:32) - Mir’s work building global hubs
(42:35) - Learn about Bitcoin (free course)
(45:50) - How to get a job in Bitcoin
(48:00) - Teaching Bitcoin to professionals
(50:08) - The biggest collection of Bitcoin knowledge?
(52:34) - Why better beginner content is needed
(56:34) - What’s changed since you started?
(01:02:10) - Tips for getting hired in Bitcoin
(01:07:20) - Want more sats? Keep your fiat job
(01:08:25) - What’s next?
(01:10:44) - Conclusion and traditional awkward handshake (outro)

Check out Plan B Network: ⁠https://planb.network/⁠
Protect your bitcoin with Trezor: ⁠https://trezor.io/

Roman Reher (aka Blocktrainer) went from an IT professional to one of the most influential Bitcoin educators in Germany. After a near-death experience, he made it his mission to spread the truth about decentralized money, freedom, and how Bitcoin changes everything.
In this episode of Trezor Talks, Sean sits down with Roman to uncover:
• Why Roman only focuses on Bitcoin (and ignores altcoins)
• How to grow a successful Bitcoin content channel (even in bear markets) • How to reach Bitcoin adoption
• Why it’s never too late to buy bitcoin …and more!

Timestamps:
(00:00) - Introduction and welcoming Roman
(03:20) - The team behind Blocktrainer
(07:24) - How Roman got started during the 2018 bear market
(08:50) - Why there is no second best to Bitcoin
(11:46) - Growing a Bitcoin-focused channel
(13:04) - How to create great Bitcoin content
(16:33) - Falling down the Bitcoin rabbit hole
(23:32) - The Agent Smith Effect explained
(27:58) - Bitcoin as a network of truth
(31:14) - Why fear should not control your life
(34:10) - Why Blocktrainer stays German-only
(39:05) - Germany’s pro-HODLer tax law
(42:05) - The best path to Bitcoin adoption
(48:54) - Advice for aspiring YouTubers
(49:20) - Roman’s near-death experience
(54:15) - Why you should not quit your job for Bitcoin
(55:50) - How to talk to Bitcoin skeptics
(01:03:27) - Money as society’s base layer (Dunbar’s number)
(01:05:33) - Is it too late to buy bitcoin in 2025?
(01:12:30) - Why you should not plan life too rigidly
(01:16:00) - Closing thoughts and the awkward handshake
Secure your crypto with Trezor: https://trezor.io/

They made the first-ever auditable Secure Element chip. This changes everything for crypto security and beyond…
Jan Pleskač (CTO) and Kryštof Jelínek (CBO) have been part of Tropic Square’s 5+ year mission to solve the problem of closed architecture chips that have NDAs and limited transparency. 
Imagine this: your device has a Secure Element chip to protect your secrets, but when a flaw is found, you’re not allowed to disclose it!
That’s the reality for many closed chips today. Tropic Square is changing that with community-verified chips, so you don’t have to trust blindly.  

In this podcast, you will discover:
Why open-source transparency is vital for future-proof crypto security

How auditable chips protect against hidden vulnerabilities

What open architecture hardware means for trust and innovation

How Tropic Square approaches the quantum threat

And more insights from 5+ years of development.
“Open-source isn’t about protecting yourself... It’s about protecting your customers.” 🫳🎤

Timestamps:
(00:00) – Intro: Welcome Tropic Square! 🌴
(02:00) – What does open-source mean to you?
(06:26) – Why you should care about open-source transparency
(15:26) – Who the TROPIC01 chip was built for
(22:45) – Real-world TROPIC01 chip integrations
(25:40) – Convincing people that privacy matters
(28:00) – Build it and they will come 🛠️
(29:10) – Future plans for Tropic Square
(37:59) – TROPIC01 chip for Trezor Safe 7 customization
(39:55) – This changes everything 🚀
(46:32) – What it’s like to build an open architecture security company?
(47:47) – Closing thoughts and awkward handshakes

Secure your crypto with Trezor: https://trezor.io/