The Biblical Mind

In this episode, Mike Tolliver and Dru Johnson reflect on the inaugural Bible First conference on politics, assessing both its successes and its limitations. Designed to “cut through the noise” of contemporary political commentary, the conference aimed to resource Christians with biblically grounded thinking rather than culturally inherited assumptions. 

The conversation highlights a central tension: while many speakers engaged important historical and theological insights, fewer fully embodied the “Bible First” methodology by tracing political concepts directly through Scripture. This revealed a broader challenge within the church—namely, the difficulty of grounding political theology in the narrative and legal frameworks of the Bible, especially the Torah.

Key takeaways include the importance of defining contested terms like “Christian nationalism,” the need to examine how cultural assumptions shape biblical interpretation, and the value of recovering categories such as nationhood, law, and kingship from within Scripture itself. The hosts also reflect on memorable contributions from the conference, including themes of dual citizenship in the kingdom of God and fresh biblical frameworks for understanding the nations.

Ultimately, the episode frames the conference as a successful first step—one that raised better questions, exposed gaps, and set the stage for more focused, Scripture-driven conversations in the future.

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Chapters:
00:00 Introduction to the Conference on Politics in the Bible
03:30 Defining Christian Nationalism and Its Implications
05:19 The Concept of 'Bible First' in Political Theology
09:42 Key Takeaways from the Conference Papers
15:49 The Role of Torah in Understanding Political Ethics
21:15 Coercive Power and Its Biblical Context
23:37 Understanding Nationhood and Identity
30:09 The Role of Law in Ancient Israel
31:27 Natural Law vs. Revealed Law
33:17 Expectations of Kingship and Governance
36:48 Future Topics for Discussion

Is Iran truly an Islamic nation—or is that a misconception shaped by politics and media?

In this episode, Dru Johnson speaks with political scientist Dr. Farhad Rezaei, who offers an insider’s perspective on religion, culture, and power in modern Iran. Contrary to common assumptions, Rezaei explains that only a minority of Iranians actively identify as Muslim, with many describing themselves as secular, non-religious, or spiritually unaffiliated. 

At the same time, Iran is experiencing what Rezaei calls a “religious revolution”: a dramatic rise in Christian conversions, growing from just a few hundred in 1979 to millions today. This growth is occurring despite severe consequences, including imprisonment or even death for those who convert. As a result, many believers gather in secret “house churches,” where Bible study and worship continue underground.

The episode also explores how state enforcement of Islamic law has paradoxically contributed to widespread disillusionment. As Iranians became more familiar with official religious teachings, many concluded that they conflicted with their cultural identity and moral intuitions.

Rezaei also provides insight into the political realities of the Iranian regime, the treatment of religious minorities, and the broader geopolitical tensions shaping the region today.

Ultimately, this conversation challenges listeners to rethink simplistic narratives and better understand the complex religious landscape within Iran.

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Chapters:
00:00 Understanding Iran: A Cultural Overview
05:01 The Rise of Christianity in Iran
09:58 Religious Minorities and Their Struggles
14:57 House Churches: A New Form of Worship
20:06 Personal Stories: Faith and Identity in Iran
21:30 Understanding Shi'ism: A Deep Dive
24:43 The Geopolitical Landscape: Iran and Israel
27:02 Nuclear Ambitions: The Threat of Iran
30:03 Rationality in Warfare: The Iranian Perspective
34:28 The Iranian Regime: Current State and Future Prospects

What happened to the Ark of the Covenant—and why does it still capture the imagination of both scholars and the public?

In this episode, Dru Johnson speaks with archaeologist Dr. Chris McKinny about his documentary Legends of the Lost Ark and the enduring mystery surrounding Israel’s most sacred object. McKinny explains that while many assume the Ark was destroyed in the Babylonian invasion, the biblical text never explicitly says so—leaving open a range of historical and legendary possibilities.

The conversation explores why popular imagination is often shaped by pseudo-archaeology, conspiracy theories, and figures like Ron Wyatt, whose claims continue to influence public perception despite lacking credible evidence. McKinny distinguishes between serious archaeological inquiry and what he calls “religious pseudo-archaeology,” which often exploits faith for sensational claims.

At the same time, he argues that dismissing the Ark entirely misses something essential. In Scripture, the Ark is not just an artifact but the symbolic center of God’s presence—what he calls the “beating heart” of Israel’s story. Its disappearance after the First Temple period becomes a theological problem as much as a historical one.

Ultimately, this episode invites listeners to think more carefully about evidence, tradition, and the role of the supernatural in both ancient texts and modern faith.

For more on Legends of the Lost Ark, go here:
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Chapters:
00:00 Public Perception of the Ark of the Covenant
04:56 The Intersection of Pseudo-Archaeology and Faith
07:58 The Supernatural and Historical Context of the Ark
12:50 Linguistic Connections: Noah's Ark and the Ark of the Covenant
17:26 The Making of 'Legends of the Lost Ark'
22:06 Exploring the Ark's Journey
23:52 The Ark's Significance in Biblical Narratives
25:33 The Ark's Role in God's Presence
29:41 The Ark as a Symbol of Protection
34:20 The Ark's Fate and Historical Context
40:06 The Ark's Legacy and Modern Interpretations

Why does Michael Polanyi matter—and why should Christians care?

In this episode, Dru Johnson and Mike Tolliver reflect on the Hebraic Thought Community’s recent book study of Personal Knowledge and explore why Polanyi’s work remains so influential. A chemist-turned-philosopher, Polanyi challenged the modern view of knowledge as detached, purely mental, and objective. Instead, he argued that all knowing is embodied, communal, and tradition-shaped.

Science, he insisted, is not merely the collection of neutral facts but a “social fabric” in which communities train people to see significance where others cannot. Learning to read an x-ray, for example, requires apprenticeship—participation in practices that shape perception itself.

Dru connects Polanyi’s insights to Scripture, showing how biblical knowing is inseparable from ritual, community, and action. Orthodoxy and orthopraxy are not rivals but entangled realities. You cannot truly see unless you practice. Whether in Proverbs’ call to “incline your ear,” Deuteronomy’s emphasis on communal instruction, or Jesus’ insistence that doing reveals truth, the Bible assumes that knowledge grows through embodied participation.

This conversation offers a powerful framework for understanding discipleship, evangelism, and spiritual formation—not as mere belief acquisition, but as formation within a living community of knowing.

If you are interested in the books mentioned in this episode, you can learn more here:

Personal Knowledge - https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/P/bo19722848.html

A Little Manual For Knowing - https://wipfandstock.com/9781610977845/a-little-manual-for-knowing/

Longing to Know - https://bakerpublishinggroup.com/products/9781587430602_longing-to-know

Loving to Know - https://wipfandstock.com/9781608999286/loving-to-know/

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Chapters:

00:00 Introduction to Michael Polanyi
07:04 The Role of Christians in Knowing
10:57 The Interconnection of Practice and Knowledge
18:15 Presuppositionalism vs. Polanyi's Approach
25:05 Polanyi vs. Rationalism: The Body and Community
29:50 Practical Applications of Polanyi's Ideas
37:00 The Importance of Community in Understanding

Is the Holocaust fading from living memory—and if so, what are the consequences?

In this sobering and historically grounded conversation, Dru Johnson speaks with longtime Jerusalem resident and Anglican rector David Pileggi about why the Holocaust must be understood not merely as Jewish history, but as a defining event in modern human history. Pileggi argues that the Holocaust was not simply a tragic episode within World War II—it was central to the war’s origins and its catastrophic consequences.

Drawing on Christopher Browning’s Ordinary Men, the discussion explores how middle-aged, non-ideological German reservists became mass shooters—not primarily because of fanaticism, but because of conformity, fear, propaganda, and social pressure. The conversation moves beyond gas chambers to the psychology of genocide, asking how “normal” people participate in extraordinary evil.

The episode also examines the roots of antisemitism, conspiracy thinking, and scapegoating—patterns that continue to resurface in modern political discourse. Pileggi offers a nuanced perspective on Jewish-Christian relations, contemporary Israel, and the responsibility Christians bear in resisting dehumanization and ideological hatred.

This episode challenges listeners not merely to remember history—but to act wisely in the present so that its darkest chapters are not repeated.

To learn more about the tours mentioned in this episode, see here:

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If you are interested in Ordinary Men, you can learn more here:

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Chapters:

00:00 The Impact of Historical Memory
12:04 The Holocaust: Lessons for Today
18:20 Ordinary Men: The Psychology of Perpetrators
28:54 The Psychological Impact of War and Choices
35:30 Racial Nationalism and Its Consequences
40:34 The Role of Antisemitism in Nazi Propaganda
46:28 The Dangers of Dehumanization
53:19 Critiquing Israel and Supporting Jewish People