CES Letter vs Book of Mormon | LDS Discussions 63 | Ep. 2035
In this episode, we dive deep into the attacks on the CES Letter and its author, Jeremy Runnells, unpacking why apologetic responses—no matter how weak—are often accepted by believing members. This is the first in a multi-part series analyzing the LDS Discussions CES Letter project.We tackle critical questions about the Book of Mormon, including:-Why does it contain errors from the 1769 King James Bible?-What about the italicized words from the KJV showing up in the text?-Why doesn’t the Book of Mormon match Joseph Smith’s own translation of the Bible?-What does DNA evidence say about the Book of Mormon narrative?-And how do apologists handle the serious anachronisms in the text?Along the way, we explore FAIR Mormon’s increasingly irrelevant defenses, the hidden Gospel Topics Essays, and shifting church narratives.This is an essential deep-dive for anyone curious about Mormonism’s truth claims, historical issues, and the apologetics surrounding them.Join the conversation and subscribe for future episodes in this CES Letter series.
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The Man Behind the CES Letter - Jeremy Runnells (Rebroadcast) | Ep. 2033
Join us today as we rebroadcast the story of the man behind the famous CES Letter: Jeremy Runnells.In February 2012, Jeremy Runnels experienced a crisis of faith, which subsequently led to a faith transition in the summer of 2012. In the spring of 2013, Jeremy was approached and asked by a Church Education System (CES) Director to share his concerns and questions about the LDS Church’s origins, history, and current practices. In response, Jeremy wrote what later became publicly known as Letter to a CES Director.Letter to a CES Director very quickly went viral on the internet. The CES Director responded that he read the “very well written” letter and that he would provide Jeremy with a response. No response ever came.From then on, hundreds of Mormons have stumbled across the CES Letter and it has caused them to question their faith. Other believing sites have attacked Jeremy Runnells over the years, saying that he was insincere or that he never believed the church was true. His story clears up all doubt that he was a true-believing Mormon.___________________YouTubeMormon Stories Thanks Our Generous Donors!Help us continue to deliver quality content by becoming a donor today:One-time or recurring donation through DonorboxSupport us on PatreonPayPalVenmoOur Platforms:YouTubePatreonSpotifyApple PodcastsContact us:MormonStories@gmail.comPO Box 171085, Salt Lake City, UT 84117Social Media:Insta: @mormstoriesTikTok: @mormonstoriespodcastJoin the Discord
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Did the Book of Mormon Witnesses Really See Golden Plates? - John Turner Part 5 | Ep. 2033
In this episode, we continue our in-depth series with historian John G. Turner, author of Joseph Smith: The Rise and Fall of an American Prophet. Covering chapter five of his book, we take a deep dive into the claims of the Three and Eight Witnesses to the golden plates. Did they actually see physical plates—or was it a visionary experience?We explore the early translation period, the role of the Whitmer family, the revelations guiding Joseph Smith, and the complicated testimonies of Martin Harris, Oliver Cowdery, and David Whitmer. Were the golden plates material objects, or were they seen with "spiritual eyes"? We also discuss later accounts, contradictions, and the ongoing debate among scholars and believers.Highlights:The experiences of the Three and Eight WitnessesSpiritual vs. physical claims of the platesTestimonies, contradictions, and controversiesWhat happened to the plates—and the witnesses—afterwardSubscribe for more episodes exploring Joseph Smith’s life, early Mormonism, and the origins of the Book of Mormon.Show NotesYouTube00:00:00 Introduction00:07:34 Why are the Whitmer’s getting involved? 00:14:28 Joseph Smith covering the plates in a barrel of beans00:20:13 The Whitmer Family00:25:51 The Melchizedek priesthood00:31:31 The experience with the three witnesses00:39:12 Did Gold plates exist?00:42:49 Spiritual eyes vs physical eyes00:45:38 Did the witnesses see physical plates? 01:03:17 The eight witnesses01:10:15 Possible explanation for the witnesses to the golden plates01:25:26 What became of the Eight Witnesses?01:28:22 What became of the golden plates? 01:31:43 How the Book of Mormon gets printed01:49:13 What is coming up next___________________Mormon Stories Thanks Our Generous Donors!Help us continue to deliver quality content by becoming a donor today:One-time or recurring donation through DonorboxSupport us on PatreonPayPalVenmoOur Platforms:YouTubePatreonSpotifyApple PodcastsContact us:MormonStories@gmail.comPO Box 171085, Salt Lake City, UT 84117Social Media:Insta: @mormstoriesTikTok: @mormonstoriespodcastJoin the Discord
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LDS Prophet John Taylor’s 1886 Revelation Created Mormon Fundamentalism! | Ep. 2032
Shocking new breaking news!!!! Did you know that LDS Church prophet John Taylor started Mormon Fundamentalism?The LDS Church History Library just released hi-res scans of the original version of a September 27, 1886, revelation to church president John Taylor that commanded Mormons to “do the works of Abraham.” As the LDS Church was gradually winding down polygamy after 1890, a growing movement believed that polygamy was essential and could not be discarded. The revelation quietly circulated through copies, giving their position some teeth. Then, in the early 1920s, a man named Lorin Woolley began telling the other half of the story: at the time of the revelation, John Taylor had ordained him and other men with the authority to perform plural marriages and ensure “the principle” never died. What is this revelation, what does it say, and how was it used and even denied by church leaders?We are joined today by Bryan Buchanan of Benchmark Books and co-host of Sunstone History Podcast to talk about the new revelation.00:00:00 Introduction00:02:20 What John’s understand has been up to this point00:06:34 What happened? New documents released00:12:15 The church is attempting to be more transparent than in the past00:14:02 Quick review of polygamy history00:22:11 Reading the first document - Letter to John Taylor00:34:20 John Taylor passes away in 1837 - in hiding00:40:12 They want to become a state, but do not want to give up polygamy00:46:45 The response from Deseret News00:53:26 The second manifesto00:55:00 Leaders are dishonest in the Smoot hearings01:15:16 The Smoot hearings are a watershed moment01:23:50 First documented case of the 1886 revelation being circulated01:45:00 Badger receives a typed copy of these revelations01:53:30 Why are patriarchs or stake presidents performing plural marriages?01:58:00 Salt Lake Tribune is publishing huge lists of people who are new polygamists 02:05:20 John Taylor to John Woolley document02:16:12 What are Lorin Woolley’s motives?02:23:08 Around the 20s, the first full revelation is published02:39:29 J Reuben Clark - 1923 document03:04:18 John Taylor visited by Jesus saying polygamy is an eternal principle 03:14:03 “Truth” magazine published in 1935, and various other books03:17:20 J Reuben Clark Statement from June of 193303:44:05 “Latter-day Revelation” book made available (like a condensed D&C) 04:15:00 Why Bryan finds this to be such a fascinating time in Mormon history04:17:55 Come to Sunstone!___________________YouTubeMormon Stories Thanks Our Generous Donors!Help us continue to deliver quality content by becoming a donor today:One-time or recurring donation through DonorboxSupport us on PatreonPayPalVenmoOur Platforms:YouTubePatreonSpotifyApple PodcastsContact us:MormonStories@gmail.comPO Box 171085, Salt Lake City, UT 84117Social Media:Insta: @mormstoriesTikTok: @mormonstoriespodcastJoin the Discord
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What Caused You to Leave Mormonism? - Live Q&A with Kolby, Britt, and John | Ep. 2031
Join John, Britt Hartley, and Kolby Reddish today as we host a live call-in show around the topic: "What caused you to lose your Mormon faith?" We would love to hear from you.Show NotesYouTube00:00:00 Introduction to the Q&A00:05:20 Where does the idea of a “shelf” come from?00:14:40 Kolby’s shelf-breaking moment00:25:25 Polls Results00:38:35 Britt’s shelf breaking moment00:51:53 Sloan Smart - The Happiness Letter01:15:00 Samuel01:21:55 Chris - The Second Annointing01:49:55 Jennie from Life Take Two01:56:00 Kurt02:02:40 Annie Edwards - Mormonism is not a place for women02:10:40 Mark Stoddard02:16:15 Melissa02:20:08 Mike & Kerry Fuller02:22:50 Mark and Stephanie02:31:24 Samantha02:33:30 Gene Judson02:37:30 Closing commentsMormon Stories Thanks Our Generous Donors!Help us continue to deliver quality content by becoming a donor today:One-time or recurring donation through DonorboxSupport us on PatreonPayPalVenmoOur Platforms:YouTubePatreonSpotifyApple PodcastsContact us:MormonStories@gmail.comPO Box 171085, Salt Lake City, UT 84117Social Media:Insta: @mormstoriesTikTok: @mormonstoriespodcastJoin the Discord
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