Zone 7 with Sheryl McCollum

• Justice Without a Trial: The Kohberger Plea Deal

  Joseph L. Giacalone is a retired NYPD sergeant, criminal justice educator, and nationally recognized expert in policing and investigations. With over 20 years on the job, he now teaches criminal investigations and appears regularly in the media to weigh in on high-profile cases. He’s also the author of two widely used textbooks. Connect with Joseph at his website and on his podcast True Crime with the Sarge. Susan Hendricks is an investigative journalist and host of Headline Crime. Known for her fearless reporting, she brings national attention to overlooked cases and failures in the justice system. She regularly covers courtroom developments and advocates for victims. Find Susan on IG @susan_hendricks or X @SusanHendricks. Linda Kenney Baden is a former prosecutor and veteran defense attorney with decades of experience in high-profile trials, including Phil Spector, Casey Anthony, and Aaron Hernandez. She contributes to Law & Crime and the Huffington Post, and co-hosts legal coverage on Justice Served TV. Connect with Linda Kenney Baden at her website and on X @KenneyBaden. Kirk Nurmi is a former criminal defense attorney, author, and speaker focused on justice reform, ethics, and personal transformation. Best known for representing Jodi Arias, he now shares his experience through writing and public speaking. Find him on Instagram @nurmiunchained_ and at kirknurmi.com. Episode Description: In this episode of Zone 7, CSI Sheryl McCollum brings together a powerhouse panel to unpack the news that Bryan Kohberger has agreed to plead guilty in the murders of Ethan Chapin, Xana Kernodle, Madison Mogen, and Kaylee Goncalves. Retired NYPD Sergeant Joe Giacalone, journalist Susan Hendricks, and defense attorneys Linda Kenney Baden and Kirk Nurmi break down what this plea deal means for investigators, prosecutors, and most importantly—the families. From the strength of the evidence to the emotional toll of avoiding trial, the panel gets real about trauma, strategy, and the search for justice. Show Notes: (0:00) Welcome to Zone 7 – Sheryl introduces the panel and the gravity of the plea deal (1:00) Joe Giacalone reflects on the investigation and law enforcement response (3:45) Susan Hendricks shares how Ethan Chapin’s family is coping with the plea deal (8:30) Linda Kenney Baden on defense optics, plea motivations, and the hidden cost of a trial (10:30) “He becomes the stalked, not the stalker” – life in prison without protective isolation (12:30) Kirk Nurmi opens up about the emotional toll of defending capital cases (16:45) What the defense may be trying to keep hidden from public view (18:15) Why the lack of answers may make this plea deal harder to accept (20:30) Behind the scenes: how mitigation packets influence plea negotiations (22:30) The ripple effect: how this case has impacted prosecutors, families, and even journalists (25:00) Kohberger’s plea may protect his family—but will he ever tell the truth? (27:45) “There is no punishment medieval enough.” – Cheryl on the impossibility of true justice (29:30) Seeking justice without a trial: how victim impact statements can still bring power (32:45) Confronting evil and searching for answers that may never come (34:30) Cheryl closes with a haunting quote from a 2011 note written by Kohberger himself Thanks for listening to another episode of Zone 7! If you’re liking what you hear, leave us a quick rating and review on Apple Podcasts. It helps more folks find the show—and keeps us bringing you more stories that matter. --- Sheryl “Mac” McCollum is an Emmy Award-winning CSI, a writer for CrimeOnLine, Forensic and Crime Scene Expert for Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, and a CSI for a metro Atlanta Police Department. She is the co-author of the textbook Cold Case: Pathways to Justice and the founder and director of the Cold Case Investigative Research Institute—a collaboration between universities, students, and professionals working to advance the study and resolution of unsolved cases. Social Links: Email: [email protected] Twitter: @ColdCaseTips Facebook: @sheryl.mccollum Instagram: @officialzone7podcastSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• The Outlaw Queen: Kathryn Thorne and the Making of Machine Gun Kelly

  Chris Enss is a New York Times bestselling author, historian, and private investigator known for her extensive work chronicling the lives of women in the American West. With more than 20 books to her name, she specializes in uncovering the truth behind legends—whether lawmen, gunslingers, or the women often written out of the narrative. Her latest book, Meet the Kellys: The True Story of Machine Gun Kelly and His Moll Kathryn Thorne, is available now at Amazon, Barnes & Noble, KensingtonBooks.com, and bookstores everywhere. In this episode of Zone 7, Crime Scene Investigator Sheryl McCollum sits down with bestselling author and private investigator Chris Enss to dig into the real story of Kathryn Thorne—the woman who didn’t just stand beside Machine Gun Kelly but helped build his legend. They discuss Kathryn’s sharp mind, bold choices, how she planned a headline-making kidnapping, and even called J. Edgar Hoover herself. Sheryl and Chris also explore the early days of the FBI, the origin of the term “G-Man,” and how the courtroom became Kathryn’s stage. Learn more about Chris Enss at chrisenss.com or follow her on Instagram @chrisenssauthor. Show Notes: (0:00) Welcome to Zone 7 with guest Chris Enss (1:30) The Kellys vs. Bonnie and Clyde (3:00) Ground-level research and historical truth (6:05) According to Kate and the untold story of Doc Holliday (10:50) Kathryn Thorne was all about what she wanted (14:30) Turning Machine Gun Kelly into a myth (16:45) Charm, privilege, and the making of an outlaw (22:00) The kidnapping of Charles Urschel (25:30) Lindbergh Law and the FBI’s rise to power (29:30) The double kidnapping and the G-Man legend (33:00) Kathryn Thorne plays the victim (36:00) Silk in the courtroom and a spotlight on the stand (38:30) Getting what she wanted, even as questions remain (40:30) “I wish he had left the dog” – Little Steve Stevens Thanks for listening to another episode! If you're enjoying Zone 7, head over to Apple Podcasts and leave a quick rating and review—it’s one of the best ways to support the show and help others find it. --- Sheryl “Mac” McCollum is an Emmy Award winning CSI, a writer for CrimeOnLine, Forensic and Crime Scene Expert for Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, and a CSI for a metro Atlanta Police Department. She is the co-author of the textbook Cold Case: Pathways to Justice. Sheryl is also the founder and director of the Cold Case Investigative Research Institute, a collaboration between universities and colleges that brings researchers, practitioners, students and the criminal justice community together to advance techniques in solving cold cases and assist families and law enforcement with solvability factors for unsolved homicides, missing persons, and kidnapping cases. Social Links: Email: [email protected] Twitter: @ColdCaseTips Facebook: @sheryl.mccollum Instagram: @officialzone7podcastSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• Karen Read Retrial | Panel Unpacks the Case That Shattered Public Trust

  In this episode of Zone 7, Crime Scene Investigator, Sheryl McCollum, brings together a powerhouse panel including Susan Hendricks, Joshua Schiffer, Dani after Dark, and Kirk Nurmi to break down the second trial of Karen Read, and it’s more than just a courtroom drama. They unpack how the defense pivoted from conspiracy to collision, why the prosecution’s own reenactment may have backfired, and how key testimony created more questions than answers. The group doesn’t shy away from the messy truth, pointing to public mistrust, missing evidence, and a system that feels off balance. From social media outrage to jury psychology, they explore why this case has gripped the nation and how it might end. Guest Bio and Links: Susan Hendricks is an investigative journalist and host of Headline Crime. Known for her thoughtful and fearless reporting, she brings national attention to overlooked cases and failures in the justice system. Connect with Susan on Instagram @susan_hendricks, on X @susanhendricks, and on Headline Crime. Joshua Schiffer is a nationally recognized criminal defense attorney and regular Court TV contributor, known for his sharp legal analysis and strategic insight into high-profile cases. Connect with Joshua on Instagram @lawyerschiff and on X @lawyerschiff. Dani is a legal content creator and host of Dani After Dark, known for her insightful, accessible analysis of high-profile criminal trials and her growing presence in the true crime community. Connect with Dani on Instagram @dani_after_dark or follow her on YouTube at @DaniAfterDark. Kirk Nurmi is a former criminal defense attorney, author, and speaker who now shares his expertise on justice, ethics, and personal transformation. Learn more about Kirk on Instagram @nurmiunchained_ and at kirknurmi.com. Show Notes: (0:00) Welcome back to Zone 7 with crime scene investigator, Sheryl McCollum (0:30) Sheryl introduces the panel: Susan Hendricks, Joshua Schiffer, Dani after Dark, and Kirk Nurmi (1:00) First impressions on closing arguments (4:30) How attorney demeanor influences the jury’s mindset (6:30) The hoodie, X-rays, and the Commonwealth’s missteps (9:30) “I can’t unsee what I saw” (11:30) What it’s like at ground zero: the buffer zone and beyond (13:00) The power of a clean, simple defense when the state fumbles the case (18:00) From guilty at first glance to not so sure (20:00) Can you convict without blood, tissue, or a chain of custody? (24:00) When justice feels unfinished and no one gets the truth (30:00) Finding grace in a divided conversation (33:00) Verdict watch: the panel’s predictions (34:30) How many times can you try the same person and still call it justice? --- Sheryl “Mac” McCollum is an Emmy Award winning CSI, a writer for CrimeOnLine, Forensic and Crime Scene Expert for Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, and a CSI for a metro Atlanta Police Department. She is the co-author of the textbook., Cold Case: Pathways to Justice. Sheryl is also the founder and director of the Cold Case Investigative Research Institute, a collaboration between universities and colleges that brings researchers, practitioners, students and the criminal justice community together to advance techniques in solving cold cases and assist families and law enforcement with solvability factors for unsolved homicides, missing persons, and kidnapping cases. Social Links: Email: [email protected] Twitter: @ColdCaseTips Facebook: @sheryl.mccollum Instagram: @officialzone7podcastSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• Crime Round Up with Nancy Grace: 6.13.25 | Who Tells the Story of the Victims?

  Today Nancy Grace and Sheryl McCollum get personal, powerful, and just a little bit poetic. From a town mourning its unlikely mascot to Nancy’s candid reflections on personal tragedy, the conversation explores how loss, both individual and shared, shapes the pursuit of justice. They examine the impact of victim-centered storytelling, particularly in the upcoming One Night in Idaho docuseries, and how it reframes our understanding of crime and accountability. Plus, they break down the Dateline leak that’s stirring controversy ahead of the Bryan Kohberger trial. Who leaked it, and why does it matter? The answers may be more complicated than you think. - Show Notes: (0:00) Welcome! Nancy and Sheryl introduce this week’s crime roundup (0:30) Morning mayhem and family updates (2:00) Flat Creek Floyd: Mourning a town mascot (4:30) Keith’s story and the ripple effect of grief (6:00) One Night in Idaho: Why victim voices matter (10:30) Centering the story on those who lived it (11:30) Trial logistics, disruptions, and the emotional cost for families (14:40) What Happened to Ellen?: An American Miscarriage of Justice (15:30) Dateline leak causes a stir | Who leaked it, and what’s at stake (20:30) Connecting the victims: Sorority photos and Google searches (24:00) Was Maddie the real target? (26:30) Jury bias, leaks, and legal fallout (27:00) Kanye, titanium teeth, and courtroom chaos (28:00) Farewell to Flat Creek Floyd --- Nancy Grace is an outspoken, tireless advocate for victims’ rights and one of television's most respected legal analysts. Nancy Grace had a perfect conviction record during her decade as a prosecutor. She is the founder and publisher of CrimeOnline.com, a crime- fighting digital platform that investigates breaking crime news, spreads awareness of missing people and shines a light on cold cases. In addition, Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a daily show hosted by Grace, airs on SIRIUS XM’s Triumph Channel 111 and is downloadable as a podcast on all audio platforms - https://www.crimeonline.com/ Connect with Nancy: X: @nancygrace Instagram: @thenancygrace Facebook: @nancygrace Sheryl “Mac” McCollum is an Emmy Award winning CSI, a writer for CrimeOnLine, Forensic and Crime Scene Expert for Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, and a CSI for a metro Atlanta Police Department. She is the co-author of the textbook., Cold Case: Pathways to Justice. Connect with Sheryl: Email: [email protected] X: @ColdCaseTips Facebook: @sheryl.mccollumSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• Tennessee Ambush: The Death of Pauline Pusser

  Danny Cupples is a certified forensic death investigator and Tennessee’s first Chief Death Investigator. He has trained NYC’s elite forensic teams, teaches infant death investigations at MTSU, and serves on a newly formed cold case unit. He's also the co-creator of the life-saving Locator Bulb. Listeners can learn more about Danny Cupples at The Locator 911, and on Linkedin @DannyCupples In this episode of Zone 7, Crime Scene Investigator, Sheryl McCollum sits down with the incredible Danny Cupples, a decorated death investigator and true Southern crime-fighting legend, to dig deep into one of the most haunting cases out of Tennessee. They retrace the exact path Sheriff Buford Pusser took that fateful night, examining every detail from fresh eyes and modern forensics. They dissect the high-velocity blood spatter, missing pools of blood where they should be, and some very curious wound trajectories. Sheryl and Danny pull back the curtain on the long-whispered secrets of the Dixie Mafia, question the motives behind Pauline’s exhumation after 50 years, and reveal just how far the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation has gone to finally get to the truth. Show Notes: (0:00) Welcome back to Zone 7 with Crime Scene Investigator, Sheryl McCollum (0:10) The ambush of Buford Pusser (2:00) Sheryl welcomes guest, Danny Cupples to Zone 7 (4:00) Chance meetings and cold case connections (6:30) Tour bus incident and tenstions in the town (10:00) “Let the evidence produce the truth. An autopsy will do that.” (10:30) The forensic importance of delayed autopsy (13:30) Blood spatter, voids, and contradictions (19:00) Rear door blood and alternative theories (22:00) The narrow road and tunnel effect (22:30) Forensic truth vs. local legend (24:30) The Dixie Mafia (27:00) Two ambushes, one victim - does this add up? (30:00) The critical need for an autopsy (32:00) Questions of motive (34:30) Car forensics, and witness testimonies (37:00) Two things that don’t make sense in the case (40:00) The Locator 911 bulb (41:00)  ”I will answer all calls.” -Sherrif Buford Pusser Thanks for listening to another episode! If you’re loving the show and want to help grow the show, please head over to Itunes and leave a rating and review! --- Sheryl “Mac” McCollum is an Emmy Award winning CSI, a writer for CrimeOnLine, Forensic and Crime Scene Expert for Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, and a CSI for a metro Atlanta Police Department. She is the co-author of the textbook., Cold Case: Pathways to Justice. Sheryl is also the founder and director of the Cold Case Investigative Research Institute, a collaboration between universities and colleges that brings researchers, practitioners, students and the criminal justice community together to advance techniques in solving cold cases and assist families and law enforcement with solvability factors for unsolved homicides, missing persons, and kidnapping cases. Social Links: Email: [email protected] Twitter: @ColdCaseTips Facebook: @sheryl.mccollum Instagram: @officialzone7podcastSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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