The Buzz

Trueheart Brown is the fire chief for the Coconino National Forest, a former hotshot, and the 2022 Black Canyon 100K champion who set a course record at the Sedona Canyons 125 this May.
In this conversation, Buzz and True get into the golden ticket he won at Black Canyon and the Pipeline Fire that kept him from ever starting Western States, what a hotshot crew teaches you about suffering that no ultra can, why a Ponderosa pine forest that used to burn every two to fifteen years is now carrying 150 years of missed fire, the reason your local prescribed burn deserves your support instead of your complaint, what PM 2.5 actually does to a runner's lungs, and why the whole vocabulary of "fighting" fire might be the wrong frame entirely.
This episode is brought to you in part by Arc'teryx and the new Sylan 2, built with a supercritical foam midsole and a forked carbon fiber plate for moving fast on technical terrain. Find it at an Arc'teryx store or at arcteryx.com.

Fred Abramowitz is a retired natural resources attorney, the author of Travels in Africa, a veteran of 75 ultras, and the co-founder and co-race director of Run Rabbit Run in Steamboat Springs, Colorado. In 2012 he did something nobody in American ultrarunning had done before: he put up a $100,000 prize purse, the largest of any trail ultra in the world, and absorbed several hundred internet comments about it.
In this conversation, Fred and Buzz get into why paying ultrarunners was the right call and why the purists were furious about it, the tortoise-and-hare start that lets mid-packers watch the elites suffer in real time, the two-person team challenge that almost nobody finishes (three of twenty-one teams last year, and Fred has a theory about which half of each team is to blame), his case for a race directors' association, and the concern that keeps the lawyer in him up at night: that the entire sport runs on volunteer labor and is one disgruntled volunteer away from finding out what that's worth. They also talk wildfire smoke, air quality, and what happens to small American races if the center of gravity keeps drifting toward Europe.
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Featured race: Run Rabbit Run, 50 and 100 miles, Steamboat Springs, Colorado, September 18 and 19, 2026. The 100 miler climbs roughly 21,000 feet through the Routt National Forest and carries the largest prize purse in the sport. Registration is full for 2026, but the waitlist is open at UltraSignup.com.

Dean Karnazes is the author of Ultramarathon Man: Confessions of an All-Night Runner, a ten-time Badwater finisher, a ten-plus-time Western States finisher, and the guy who once ran 50 marathons in 50 states in 50 days. Buzz catches up with him in Athens, where Dean has spent the last three years living out his Greek roots, halfway between the city and the town of Marathon itself.
They get into Pheidippides and the 153-mile run to Sparta that Herodotus documented as history's first race report (hallucination included), why Greece is the best trail running destination almost nobody visits, the night Dean fell asleep mid-stride 350 miles into a run, the pizza he famously ordered to a moving target, and how he trains and eats to keep racing ultras at 63.
This episode is brought to you in part by Arc'teryx, whose new Sylan 2 trail shoe is available in Arc'teryx stores and at Arcteryx.com.
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Dan Patitucci is a professional mountain-sport photographer and athlete whose images for Patagonia, Black Diamond, and others helped shape the look of modern trail running, and who, with partners Janine Patitucci and Kim Strom, built ALPSinsight and designed the Via Valais, the Alps' first trail-running grand tour.
In this conversation, Buzz and Dan compare the three mountain ranges Dan knows better than almost anyone: the Swiss Valais, where the gneiss weathers into silky-smooth singletrack; the Khumbu in Nepal, where the Three Passes route might be the best hard day of running on the planet; and the Eastern Sierra, all granite, taco trucks, and wilderness you can vanish into for 200 miles. They get into how the Via Valais came together one snowstorm at a time, why Dan shoots everything on a camera that fits in a vest pocket, what he learned chasing Ueli Steck up mountains, and his gleefully unpopular opinion about the running in Chamonix.
This episode is brought to you by Wahoo and the Wahoo Kickr Run smart treadmill, and by VKTRY, makers of carbon-fiber insoles built to last over 1,000 miles and backed by a 90-day money-back guarantee (vktry.com).
Find Dan's trail running guides, maps, and GPX tracks for the Alps, Nepal, and the Eastern Sierra at allmountaincollective.com.
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At seven years old, Hunter Leininger talked his way into his first adventure race; by ten he was a national champion, and he's spent the eighteen years since turning a childhood obsession into a profession, holding the fastest unsupported traverse of Iceland (370 miles), the FKT for the 1,110-mile length of Florida, and a Guinness World Record for climbing all fifty state high points.
In this conversation, Buzz and Hunter get into the strange education of growing up sleep-deprived (including the time his dad towed him by bungee cord while he sleepwalked through a 2 a.m. trek), the actual tactics of staying awake for days (pre-loading caffeine before the crash, fueling so you never fall behind, the ninety-second dirt nap )and how adventure racing builds the kind of toughness that's quietly producing today's best ultrarunners. Then the industry question Buzz can't resist: how a 25-year-old with no Western States win built a full-time career out of FKTs, TV shows, and content, and what the freelance-athlete model means for everyone trying to make a living in a sport with no teams and almost no prize money.
This episode is brought to you in part by VKTRY: high-mileage carbon-plated insoles built to last over 1,000 miles, with a 90-day money-back guarantee. Find them at vktry.com. 
And, The Buzz is supported by Arc'teryx, and the new Sylan 2 a propulsive trail running shoe designed for speed and reduced fatigue. 
The Buzz is part of the UltraSignup Podcast Network.