The Burnouts with Phoebe & Sophia

• Why Supermodel Karlie Kloss Quit Victoria’s Secret to Build a Tech Empire

  Model, investor, activist, founder—Karlie Kloss has worn a lot of hats (and a lot of couture).In this episode of The Burnouts, Karlie sits down with Phoebe and Sophia to talk about what happens when your “dream job” turns into something more. From getting scouted at 13 and walking Dior at 15, to launching Kode With Klossy and acquiring i-D magazine, Karlie shares the real story behind the headlines—and how she’s used her platform to build power on her own terms.She opens up about early burnout, learning to trust her instincts, and the pressure of growing up in public. Plus: how she used brand deals to fund a coding nonprofit, why she angel invested in tampons, and what she’s learned about failure, focus, and building a career that actually lasts.Also: how she made $10k flying economy???🕯️✨ USE CODE "BURNOUTS15" FOR 15% OFF THE PHLUR X THE BURNOUTS CANDLE → https://go.shopmy.us/p-18806798 ✨🕯️CHAPTERS02:15 – Getting scouted at 1304:10 – Saving every dollar (even mid-Fashion Week)06:30 – Modeling as a means, not the end09:20 – Using social media as a business tool11:00 – Starting Kode With Klossy15:10 – Investing in women-led companies18:45 – Mistakes, pivots, and building something real24:00 – Why she uses her dinner parties to fund reproductive rights29:20 – Reimagining i-D for the next generation33:00 – Advice for young women entering fashion35:00 – Letting go of the pressure to have it all figured outFOLLOW USPhoebe GatesSophia KianniKarlie Kloss🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTSInstagramTikTokLinkedIn📲 Download the Phia app: www.phia.comSubscribe to The Burnouts for exclusive conversations with today’s top founders and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by former Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders, Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, this isn’t just another founder podcast—it’s untold conversations and the unfiltered reality of what it takes to build your dream career in your 20s. Guests include Paris Hilton, Chelsea Handler, Kris Jenner, Karlie Kloss, and more visionaries defining the brands—and blueprints—of our time. Whether you’re dreaming big or building now, these are the conversations that will show you how it’s done (and what no one else tells you). 🔔 Subscribe now to get the blueprint for building your dream career

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• Hollywood Actress to Investor: The $10K Bet That Made Sophia Bush Millions

  From teen drama star to angel investor, Sophia Bush joins Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni for an unfiltered conversation about building wealth, walking away from toxic systems, and making purpose profitable.In this episode of The Burnouts, Sophia reveals how a surprise $10,000 angel check into Uber kickstarted her investment journey—and how that single move led to millions. She opens up about the real economics of being a young actress, fighting for equal pay on One Tree Hill, and the dark side of working in Hollywood. Sophia also shares what it means to build power as a woman in business: launching inclusive salons, shaping the future of femtech, and helping fund America's first women-founded bank.She breaks down the difference between angel investing and venture, gives practical advice for women who want to build wealth without gatekeeping, and explains why doing good and doing well should never be mutually exclusive.Also: The best financial advice she’s ever received. 🕯️✨ USE CODE "BURNOUTS15" FOR 15% OFF YOUR ORDER ON THE LIMITED-EDITION PHLUR X THE BURNOUTS CANDLE → https://go.shopmy.us/p-18806798 ✨🕯️ 🔍 CHAPTERS1:20 – From aspiring heart surgeon to unexpected actress6:45 – The economics of young Hollywood13:00 – Building an inclusive salon in Detroit17:20 – Investing in Uber with $10K20:45 – The power of sweat equity25:30 – Femtech, abortion access & why periods matter30:15 – Talking money without shame34:00 – The group chat every woman needs 🔗 FOLLOW USPhoebe GatesSophia KianniSophia Bush 🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTSInstagram TikTok LinkedIn📲 Download the Phia app to start saving money.Subscribe to The Burnouts for bold, raw interviews with the thinkers, athletes, and founders redefining ambition. Hosted by Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni—former Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders—each episode dives into the unpolished truths of building a life and career that matters. This isn’t another founder podcast. It’s what building something in your 20s actually sounds like—unfiltered, in-progress, and a little bit chaotic.

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• How Playing DUMB Helped Paris Hilton Build a BILLION Dollar Empire

  Heiress, icon, mogul, mom—and the original influencer.In this episode of The Burnouts, Paris Hilton gets real with Phoebe and Sophia about turning a catchphrase into a global brand, the pain behind her activism, and why being underestimated was her greatest advantage.She opens up about creating the “dumb blonde” persona as a form of power, testifying before Congress as a survivor, and why she believes angel numbers (and small-town nerds) are the secret to everything. Plus: what it’s like running 30 businesses, parenting with purpose, and building 11:11 Media to bring it all together.This isn’t the Paris Hilton you think you know.Also: DJ paychecks, ADHD superpowers, and how to spot a fragile man. 🕯️✨ USE CODE "BURNOUTS15" FOR 15% OFF YOUR ORDER ON THE LIMITED-EDITION PHLUR X THE BURNOUTS CANDLE  ✨🕯️ 🔍 CHAPTERS1:45 – Inventing the “Paris Hilton” character5:00 – ADHD and the art of doing everything9:40 – Playing dumb, trademarking “That’s Hot”13:15 – From survivor to Capitol Hill18:00 – Why she’d never date a guy from LA20:45 – Paris' obsession with angel numbers24:00 – Advice for building a brand 🔗 FOLLOW USPhoebe GatesSophia KianniParis Hilton 🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTSInstagramTikTokLinkedIn📲 Download the Phia app to start saving money: www.phia.comSubscribe to The Burnouts for bold, raw interviews with the thinkers, athletes, and founders redefining ambition. Hosted by Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni—former Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders—each episode dives into the unpolished truths of building a life and career that matters. This isn’t another founder podcast. It’s what building something in your 20s actually sounds like—unfiltered, in-progress, and a little bit chaotic.

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• The Marketing Hacks That Got Us 200K Downloads and Kris Jenner’s Investment

  200,000 downloads. A tagline that finally made people “get it.” And a few hard lessons along the way.In this episode of The Burnouts, co-founders Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni unpack the marketing experiments that helped Phia find traction—from trial reels and creator guides to AI-generated scripts and TikTok reach campaigns. They share what worked, what didn’t, and what they’re still learning about building a brand from scratch.They also talk about the power of a clear metaphor (“Google Flights for fashion”), the pressure of launching on the same day as a major podcast appearance, and why community has been their most valuable asset.Also: how Kris Jenner got involved...📲 Download the Phia app to start saving money: www.phia.com🕯️✨ USE CODE "BURNOUTS15" FOR 15% OFF YOUR ORDER ON THE LIMITED-EDITION PHLUR X THE BURNOUTS CANDLE → https://go.shopmy.us/p-18806798 ✨🕯🔍 CHAPTERS2:00 – Launching Phia the same day as Call Her Daddy6:20 – Trial Reels: our low-cost growth engine8:45 – Our best-performing hook11:15 – TikTok flops, LinkedIn wins, and why Substack matters13:10 – The hack to community-building15:00 – How we use AI to write scripts that work17:30 – The SEO agency mistake we won’t make again19:10 – The "special sauce" in a marketing hire🔗 FOLLOW USPhoebe GatesSophia Kianni🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTSInstagramTikTokLinkedInSubscribe to The Burnouts for exclusive conversations with today’s top founders and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by former Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders, Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, this isn’t just another founder podcast—it’s untold conversations and the unfiltered reality of what it takes to build your dream career in your 20s.Guests include Paris Hilton, Chelsea Handler, Kris Jenner, Karlie Kloss, and more visionaries defining the brands—and blueprints—of our time. Whether you’re dreaming big or building now, these are the conversations that will show you how it’s done (and what no one else tells you).🔔 Subscribe now to get the blueprint for building your dream career

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• Meet the Stanford genius who modeled for Victoria’s Secret and won Olympic gold (ft. Eileen Gu)

  Olympic gold, Ivy League brains, supermodel looks—and still figuring it out.In this episode of The Burnouts, Olympic gold medalist, model, and Stanford student Eileen Gu joins Phoebe and Sophia for an unfiltered conversation about ambition, identity, and what happens after you’ve seemingly “made it.”Eileen opens up about her post-Olympic burnout, learning to sit with stillness after injury, and the pressure of being young, female, and hyper-visible on the world stage. From negotiating brand deals at 13 to being grilled about geopolitics at 18, she reflects on the emotional toll of public scrutiny—and the freedom of learning to define success on her own terms.She also shares how fashion gave her a new language for femininity, what solo travel taught her about self-worth, and why she’ll never apologize for being “the nerd who does everyone’s homework.” Also: the difference between a high-quality man and a fragile ego.  🕯️✨ USE CODE "BURNOUTS15" FOR 15% OFF YOUR ORDER ON OUR LIMITED-EDITION PHLUR X THE BURNOUTS CANDLE ✨🕯️  CHAPTERS2:10 – Post-Olympic depression is real4:45 – How she accidentally went pro6:55 – Negotiating for yourself, even if you're scared10:40 – Walking Victoria’s Secret and staying true to your values13:15 – Becoming a cultural bridge—not picking a side17:35 – Why smart women scare fragile men26:00 – Glorifying suffering is not a flex28:55 – Nerd alert: physics made her a better skier35:40 – Injury, identity, and learning to rest FOLLOW USPhoebe GatesSophia KianniEileen Gu FOLLOW THE BURNOUTSInstagram TikTokLinkedIn 📲 Download the Phia app to start saving money: www.phia.com Subscribe to The Burnouts for bold, raw interviews with the thinkers, athletes, and founders redefining ambition. Hosted by Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni—former Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders—each episode dives into the unpolished truths of building a life and career that matters. This isn’t another founder podcast. It’s what building something in your 20s actually sounds like—unfiltered, in-progress, and a little bit chaotic.

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