Shrinking Trump

• Trump might not salvage his big terrible bill with Musk opposing it

  Your favorite psychologists, John Gartner and Harry Segal, follow the big terrible bill and the Donald/Elon break-up, while looking at video proof of the strong-armed tactics of ICE’s masked enforcers. Also, journalist and political commentator Ahmed Baba returns for another conversation, as engaging as ever, to talk about this moment in politics and how to think about the way forward. Be sure to subscribe wherever you get your podcasts:Our siteSubscribe on iTunesSubscribe on SpotifySubscribe on Amazon MusicSubscribe on iHeartRadioThey argue that Trump’s erratic leadership—driven by malignant self-interest—renders him woefully unprepared to withstand the pushback coming from both unexpected allies and traditional critics. Musk’s very public denouncement, marking a sharp break from his former allegiance, highlights the deep vulnerabilities in Trump’s approach. Equally unsettling is the recent video evidence capturing ICE’s masked enforcers employing strong-armed tactics against immigrants. Dr. Segal scrutinizes these disturbing images, linking them to a broader, calculated strategy designed to erode democratic oversight and crush dissent. He warns that these aren’t isolated actions but part of an orchestrated pattern of authoritarianism that threatens the very fabric of our institutions. Rejoining the conversation is incisive journalist and political commentator Ahmed Baba, whose sharp analysis deepens the discussion. Baba emphasizes that this turbulent moment in American politics necessitates a strategic, informed resistance—urging every citizen to remain vigilant and proactive in defending our democratic values. He points out how the Trump administration has repeatedly exploited legal loopholes, making civic engagement not just important, but essential. Throughout the episode, the dialogue weaves together psychological insight with raw political critique. Dr. Gartner zeroes in on the perils of Trump’s impulsivity, noting that his personal flaws not only undermine legislative efforts but also sow discord within his own ranks. Concurrently, Dr. Segal champions the resilience of civil society—from grassroots activists to principled judges and steadfast political figures who are mounting a formidable resistance. In wrapping up, Dr. Gartner and Dr. Segal deliver a stirring call to action: remain engaged, scrutinize power relentlessly, and stand firm in defense of democratic norms. They remind us that understanding the psychology behind authoritarian tactics is our most potent tool for countering them. Only through informed dialogue and concerted action can we hope to reclaim our nation's future from the corrosive grip of toxic leadership. Don’t forget—subscribe wherever you get your podcasts: on our site, iTunes, Spotify, Amazon Music, and iHeartRadio. Join us as we continue to dissect the dynamic interplay of psychology and politics, and ensure that every act of authoritarian overreach is met with unwavering resistance. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• Trump’s Tariffs and Attacks on Harvard are failing in the Courts

  Your favorite psychologists, Dr. John Gartner and Dr. Harry Segal, return after a forced hiatus (watch the opening of the show for details) to dissect the growing pushback from the courts against Trump’s tariffs and his attacks on Harvard—while also diving into revelations surrounding the Biden mental health cover-up. Joining them this week is Joe Caiazzo, a seasoned political strategist and partner at 1788 Media, who brings his expert perspective to the conversation. Be sure to subscribe wherever you get your podcasts: Our site Subscribe on iTunes Subscribe on Spotify Subscribe on Amazon Music Subscribe on iHeartRadio In their latest session, Dr. Gartner and Dr. Segal examine the chaotic nature of Trump’s policies, emphasizing how his psychological profile—marked by malignant narcissism and cognitive decline—directly fuels his erratic governance. The duo makes a compelling case that Trump’s impulse-driven decision-making and abuse of executive power are fundamental to understanding his failed attempts to impose extreme tariffs and retaliate against institutions like Harvard. The judiciary has emerged as a crucial check against Trump’s overreach, as courts increasingly block his illegal actions. Dr. Segal highlights key legal victories, such as the halt of Trump’s baseless tariffs and the judicial rebuke of his administration’s efforts to restrict Harvard’s enrollment of international students. These rulings are pivotal in safeguarding constitutional principles and pushing back against executive authoritarianism. Meanwhile, the podcast pivots toward a hard-hitting moment of self-examination, as Dr. Gartner reflects on the newly uncovered truths about President Biden’s cognitive struggles. Acknowledging their initial misjudgments, the hosts emphasize the necessity of transparency in leadership and discuss how the Biden administration’s mismanagement of his decline has eroded public trust and weakened democratic integrity. Dr. Gartner stresses that owning up to analytical mistakes is essential for providing a more accurate political lens moving forward. Political strategist Joe Caiazzo deepens the discussion with his insider take on the need for generational change within the Democratic Party. He underscores the importance of meeting voters where they are, broadening the party’s coalition, and prioritizing outreach that resonates with working-class Americans. Caiazzo argues that real engagement—not distant rhetoric—is key to revitalizing Democratic momentum. As the conversation intensifies, the psychologists connect political strategy with psychological insight, illustrating how cognitive tendencies shape leadership behavior. Dr. Segal and Dr. Gartner reveal how psychology not only explains political motivations but also serves as a powerful tool for anticipating and countering authoritarian tactics. The episode concludes with a powerful call to action: resist authoritarianism, stay vigilant, and engage actively in preserving democratic values. Dr. Gartner and Dr. Segal emphasize that knowledge, awareness, and psychological insight remain vital weapons against political chaos. Stay tuned as Shrinking Trump continues to tackle the intersection of psychology and politics—providing deep, necessary analysis in this defining era. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• Trump’s International Assaults Get Push Back!

  Psychologists John Gartner and Harry Segal review Trump’s retreat on China tariffs, the legal obstacles to deportation, and the first American and (hopefully) Anti-Maga Pope.  They are also joined by Dr. Rosalind Watts, the renown clinical psychologist, who describes the practice and profound impact of psychedelic psychotherapy, especially in these difficult times. Be sure to subscribe wherever you get your podcasts: Our site Subscribe on iTunes Subscribe on Spotify Subscribe on Amazon Music Subscribe on iHeartRadio Dr. Gartner and Dr. Segal once again break down Trump’s cognitive decline and malignant narcissism, a psychological profile marked by extreme self-interest and zero empathy. Trump’s erratic tariff strategy—first hitting China with a reckless 145% tax, then scaling back to 30%—is just another example of his weakness under pressure. While the rollback offers some relief, his trade war still threatens economic stability, leaving millions uncertain about the future.   Then there’s his legal manipulation—Trump’s frantic attempts to bypass the courts and stack them with loyalist judges who will rubber-stamp his agenda. But here’s the twist: some Trump-appointed judges are actually pushing back, reinforcing due process and putting up resistance where it’s needed most. Even when Trump tries to rig the system, cracks are forming—and that’s reason for hope.   Dr. Segal highlights what he calls a “hopeful turning point”—the election of Pope Leo, the first American Pope. Pope Leo’s commitment to social justice and outspoken criticism of Trump’s policies has already made him a powerful moral counterweight to MAGA extremism. His pushback against Trump’s immigration crackdowns is one of the most forceful challenges to the Trump agenda we’ve seen on a global scale.   Dr. Rosalind Watts joins the discussion with a groundbreaking perspective on psychedelic therapy. She breaks down how substances like psilocybin can unlock deeper personal insight, help navigate emotional instability, and foster real connections in an increasingly divided world. But psychedelics aren’t magic pills—Dr. Watts emphasizes that their power comes from integration, long-term mental resilience, and a renewed understanding of self and community.   Dr. Gartner and Dr. Segal remind us why psychological insight is a weapon in political warfare. They call on listeners to stay vigilant, push back against authoritarian chaos, and support leaders who fight for justice. This is the fight of our time. Stay tuned, subscribe, and join us next week as Shrinking Trump continues to unpack the intersection of psychology and politics in the era of Trump.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• Trumpocalypse Now: Trump confuses reality with the movies!

  Psychologists John Gartner and Harry Segal return to the topic of Trump’s cognitive decline and malignant narcissism by interpreting his “decision” on Alcatraz as well as his oval office antics. They are joined by Rep. Chrissie Houlahan from Pennsylvania, who had taken on Tulsi Gabbard in the House investigation of Signalgate. Be sure to subscribe wherever you get your podcasts: Our site Subscribe on iTunes Subscribe on Spotify Subscribe on Amazon Music Subscribe on iHeartRadio Dr. Gartner opens by reflecting on their journey and stresses that Trump’s extreme narcissism and growing cognitive decline are no secret. The doctors detail how these traits have led to unhinged decisions—from confusing basic facts to mixing Hollywood fiction with real policy. They even bring up Trump’s bizarre suggestion to reopen Alcatraz, an idea that clearly shows his disconnect from reality. The conversation then turns to the effect of Trump’s behavior on governance. According to the experts, his impulsive and self-serving decisions have not only hurt the economy but also weakened the nation’s standing on the world stage. Dr. Segal explains that Trump’s poor handling of economic policies, including misguided tariff strategies, risks driving the country toward an economic crisis—a situation not unlike past downturns in history. On the political front, the hosts warn that Trump’s style of leadership is dangerous. His tendency to use executive power for personal gain could lead to a government that more resembles an autocratic regime than a true democracy. They point out that when leaders mix personal interests with national policy, our institutions and hard-won democratic values come under severe threat. Yet there is hope. The episode highlights how strong American institutions—like Harvard University—continue to stand up against illegal executive overreach. These examples remind us that while Trump’s actions push us toward instability, the core values of our democracy still hold strong when we remain informed and active. In closing, Dr. Gartner and Dr. Segal call on everyone to pay attention, speak up, and demand accountability. They stress that understanding the psychological roots of this crisis is key to defending our nation’s future. Listeners are encouraged to join the conversation by subscribing, sharing their ideas, and tuning in to upcoming episodes. We’ll see you back here next week, as we continue to push back against this chaos and work together to save America from tyranny. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• Trump is in trouble, even with his base!

  Psychologists John Gartner and Harry Segal review “the week in Trump,” paying particular attention to Pam Bondi. They are joined again by Vince Greenwood, clinical psychologist and expert on psychopathy, who has new insights on Trump’s criminal behavior. Be sure to subscribe to our show on your favorite podcast app: Our site Subscribe on iTunes Subscribe on Spotify Subscribe on Amazon Music Subscribe on iHeartRadio Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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