Relocalizing Health with Dave Chase

Welcome to Relocalizing Health, the podcast that dives deep into how communities across America are reclaiming their healthcare from corporate control and building systems focused on people over profit. In this episode, we welcome Michael Norman, Chief Strategy Officer at Genesis Healthcare System in Zanesville, Ohio, and President of HealthyPath, a community-owned health plan product making a big impact.
Mike shares his inspiring journey after being told his rural hospital wasn't "relevant" by a major insurance carrier, despite offering high-quality care at lower costs. This pivotal moment sparked the creation of HealthyPath, a product designed to empower local employers with affordable coverage options and give employees access to care without overwhelming deductibles. In just one year, HealthyPath’s 20 participating employers collectively saved $1.2 million, proving that local solutions can truly transform the healthcare landscape.
Along the way, Mike discusses the importance of remaining independent as a community hospital, the economic role local healthcare systems play, and the pitfalls of consolidation that often leave rural communities behind. He also shares how employer feedback has shaped HealthyPath, where quality coverage is now helping businesses attract and retain talent, and employees can finally afford the care they need.
We explore the innovative partnership between local hospitals and modern benefit advisors like Christina King, the collaborative power of rural Ohio's High Value Network, and what it takes to replicate this change in other communities. If you’re seeking hope and practical ideas for reshaping healthcare around local values and community needs, this episode is sure to inspire.
Tune in as we shine a spotlight on those forging a new path, where community wellbeing comes first, and the American dream of accessible, affordable healthcare starts at home.

Timestamps:
00:00 Rural Healthcare Challenges and Costs
04:59 Rural Hospital Relevance Challenge
10:17 Local Oversight Strengthens Communities
11:33 HealthyPath: Affordable Healthcare Solution
14:47 "Christina's Impact on HealthyPath"
18:16 $1.2M Employer Premium Savings
22:37 "From Skeptic to Advocate"
26:55 "Cost Management Through Local TPA"
30:42 Scaling Value-Based Healthcare Solutions
32:10 "Hospital Execs as Celebrities"
35:14 Transforming Healthcare and Employer Retention
38:32 "Rosetta Fest: Transforming Healthcare"

Christina King - https://healthrosetta.org/advisors/christina-king/

Learn More:
RosettaFest 2025 - https://rosettafest.org/
Health Rosetta - http://healthrosetta.org/
Nautilus - https://www.nautilushealth.org/
Kynexions - https://kynexions.com/
Dave Chase - https://www.linkedin.com/in/chasedave/
Podcast Website - https://relocalizinghealth.com/

Welcome to Relocalizing Health, where we explore how communities are reclaiming control over healthcare and rebuilding systems that truly serve people. In this episode, host Dave Chase welcomes Patrick Blackaller, the driving force behind the Employer Healthcare Cooperative of Wisconsin. Together, they dive into the journey of transforming healthcare for schools and employers in Wisconsin, shifting from an extractive industry toward a model that prioritizes care, cost transparency, and community partnerships.
You'll hear honest reflections on the tough choices and personal stories that sparked this movement, including the profound impact of rising costs and restrictive insurance plans on real people. Patrick Blackaller shares how direct contracts, innovative clinics, and new pharmacy approaches are not only saving millions but also bringing dignity and access back into healthcare. This episode is packed with lessons on pioneering change, even in the face of skepticism, and offers a blueprint for other communities ready to take bold steps toward a better future.
Timestamps:
00:00 "Rural School Struggles with Healthcare"
05:04 "Creating Care Through Self-Funding"
09:14 Overcoming Skepticism to Find Support
12:50 Affordable Medication Access Strategies
14:23 "Optimizing Health Plans Affordably"
17:10 Streamlining Healthcare Navigation and Education
20:30 Healthcare Spending and Employer Insights
23:51 "Optimizing Quality and Cost Balance"
27:21 Perseverance Through Challenges
31:23 Purpose-Driven Leadership Strategies
35:21 "Relocalizing Health: American Comeback"
Learn More:
RosettaFest 2025 - https://rosettafest.org/
Health Rosetta - http://healthrosetta.org/
Nautilus - https://www.nautilushealth.org/
Kynexions - https://kynexions.com/
Dave Chase - https://www.linkedin.com/in/chasedave/
Podcast Website - https://relocalizinghealth.com/

On this episode of Relocalizing Health, host Dave Chase is joined by April Kyle, president and CEO of Southcentral Foundation in Alaska, for a deep dive into one of America’s most remarkable healthcare transformations. Together, they explore how the Alaska Native community took control of their own healthcare system, moving from an underfunded, top-down model to a community-owned system that now boasts some of the best health outcomes and highest satisfaction rates in the world.
April Kyle shares the practical blueprint behind this success: from the generational trauma and distrust that had to be overcome, to the pivotal role of true community engagement and ongoing governance that keeps the transformation alive. The conversation highlights the importance of listening, evolving systems to meet community needs, and the challenges of sustaining change across decades. Listeners will hear inspiring, concrete stories of how community voices are not only heard, but drive real decisions, from scheduling mammograms around moose hunting season to making tough calls about housing for providers.
Whether you’re a community leader, healthcare provider, or simply passionate about building better systems, this episode offers actionable insights and hope for communities everywhere looking to take back control and create a system built for and by them.

Timestamps:

00:00 "Relocalizing Health: Community-Driven Care"
04:18 April Kyle's Introduction & Journey
09:31 "Community-Centered Evolving Healthcare Model"
12:42 "Relocalizing Health, Not Healthcare"
15:20 Listening to Families, Closing Gaps
19:35 "Listening, Dialogue, and Community Partnership"
22:24 "Community-Driven Leadership Challenges"
27:15 Listening to Community First
28:12 "Community-Driven Listening and Customization"
32:49 Community Decision on Housing Safety
36:31 "Clinical Outcomes Data Sharing"
37:26 Community Resource Allocation Dialogue
40:42 "Power of Convening Communities"
46:25 "Embracing Community-Led Healthcare Change"
48:13 Integrating Behavioral Care Insights
50:48 "Rosetta Fest: Health Care Transformation"

Podcasts: IHI https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/when-people-of-the-system-own-the-system-with/id1681829836?i=1000678625961
Moving to Value Part 1 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/part-1-the-nuka-blueprint-w-april-kyle-and-dr-doug-eby/id1716935535
Part 2 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/part-2-the-nuka-blueprint-w-april-kyle-and-dr-doug-eby/id1716935535

Learn More:
RosettaFest 2025 - https://rosettafest.org/
Health Rosetta - http://healthrosetta.org/
Nautilus - https://www.nautilushealth.org/
Kynexions - https://kynexions.com/
Dave Chase - https://www.linkedin.com/in/chasedave/
Podcast Website - https://relocalizinghealth.com/

Welcome back to Relocalizing Health, the podcast where we shine a light on the communities taking healthcare back from corporate control and making it serve people, rather than profit. In today’s episode, host Dave Chase sits down with Christina King, a benefit advisor from Columbus, Ohio, who’s breaking the mold on how we think about hospitals and employer health plans.
Instead of waiting for Washington to fix a “terminally broken” system, Christina King has been rolling up her sleeves and partnering with regional hospitals to create community-owned health plans, even as much of Ohio’s healthcare landscape is collapsing around her. She unpacks how these grassroots efforts are not only keeping care in the community, but transforming hospital relationships, employer incentives and even employee recruitment by building something better from within.
We’ll dig into the unique financial models, the critical role of direct primary care and independent pharmacies, and why employers are finally able to use health benefits as a genuine tool to attract their workforce. Plus, Christina King shares how these local successes are fueling statewide excitement and connecting an ever-growing network of visionary leaders ready to take healthcare transformation on the road.
Get ready for an inspiring conversation that offers practical insights and real hope for reclaiming the American dream, one community at a time.

Timestamps:
00:00 Reclaiming Healthcare, Serving Communities
04:33 Networking to Reach Hospital Executives
08:41 Healthcare Innovation Around Metro Areas
12:45 Replicating Community Health Plans
15:42 Community-Focused Healthcare Collaboration
18:05 "Health Plans Driving Employee Attraction"
23:20 "Employer Community Health Revolution"
25:00 Community Celebration After Denver Trip
28:25 "Employers Discussing Healthcare Challenges"
31:33 Hospital Competition and Cost Reform
36:12 "Live in Anticipation of Connections"
37:45 Reclaiming Healthcare, Building Community

Learn More:
RosettaFest 2025 - https://rosettafest.org/
Health Rosetta - http://healthrosetta.org/
Nautilus - https://www.nautilushealth.org/
Kynexions - https://kynexions.com/
Dave Chase - https://www.linkedin.com/in/chasedave/
Podcast Website - https://relocalizinghealth.com/

Welcome to Relocalizing Health, where we dig deep into the heart of America's healthcare crisis and the opportunities that can rise from its collapse. In this Solo Episode, host Dave Chase confronts the uncomfortable truth: our healthcare system is not just broken, it's on the brink of collapse, with skyrocketing costs, staggering waste, and millions of Americans falling into medical debt.
But it's not all doom and gloom. Dave Chase shares a personal story of loss and regret that fueled his mission for meaningful change, and he draws on history and proven models to show us how collapse can pave the way for better, more equitable healthcare. From community-owned health plans to bold policy solutions like the proposed Community Self Determination Act, he reveals two real pathways to transformation, grounded in local control, transparency, and an unwavering focus on true wellbeing.
If you're ready to learn how communities are already reclaiming their health (and their financial futures), and how we can move from fear to action as this system unravels, this episode is your essential starting point. Let’s explore how we can turn crisis into an opportunity for lasting, positive change in American healthcare, one community at a time.

Timestamps:
00:00 "America's Systemic Collapse and Hope"
05:15 Healthcare Costs and Human Impact
07:47 "Fragile Healthcare Hierarchies Collapse"
12:29 "Rethinking Healthcare for Wellbeing"
16:12 Native Healthcare Transformation Revolution
18:21 "Optimal Community Health Plan Model"
23:10 "Path to Healing and Reform"
24:13 "Relocalizing Health Solutions"

Learn More:
RosettaFest 2025 - https://rosettafest.org/
Health Rosetta - http://healthrosetta.org/
Nautilus - https://www.nautilushealth.org/
Kynexions - https://kynexions.com/
Dave Chase - https://www.linkedin.com/in/chasedave/
Podcast Website - https://relocalizinghealth.com/