Mamamia Out Loud

Em Vernem is celebrating a big birthday and we’re unpacking why turning 30 can feel like you’re living in five different decades at once.
Plus, Victoria Beckham says her family isn't a brand while simultaneously launching, well, a new family brand. Is this the definition of 'posting through it'?
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And, public pimple patches. Is wearing a glittery chin star to brunch the ultimate 'skin-positivity' win?
Finally, we’re entering a time when robots are shortlisting your dating options. So, what awkward conversations are AI bots having on first dates, and do they have a better chance of finding your true love than you do?
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Recommendations
Em recommends The Sheep Detectives, Hugh Jackman's highest grossing film.
Amelia recommends Chosen Family by Madeleine Gray.
Holly recommends Prime Minister on Apple TV; chronicling Jacinda Ardern's journey as Prime Minister of New Zealand.
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Listen: Writing a List of Anti-Goals Made Me Quit My Job
Listen: Scurrilous Gossip: A Facelift Slippage & ‘Wildly Unhappy’ Royals
Listen: The Red Carpet Moment That Answers The Blake Lively Question
Listen: Fake Nips & Wandering Hands: Mia’s Met Gala Verdict
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What to read:
'The dating formula that helped me ditch the apps for good.'
Someone needs to gently tell Harper Beckham this is a bad idea.
'I went to Mecca to try Victoria Beckham's beauty products. Here's what I would (and wouldn't) buy.'
The Sheep Detectives is Hugh Jackman's highest-rated movie ever. It's the best thing I've seen all year.
'I recommend books for a living. These are the 8 you need to read.'
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Hosts: Holly Wainwright, Emily Vernem & Amelia Lester
Acting Group Executive Producer: Sasha Tannock
Assistant Producer: Tessa Kotowicz
Video Producer: Josh Green
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Yes, there’s a Budget and Clare has plans for her $250, but hold up, while Canberra was crunching numbers, a middle-aged, topless dad accidentally stole the show at Australian Fashion Week.
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Plus, the Michael Jackson biopic is having enormous success, even as new abuse allegations surface. Amelia asks if selective amnesia is fuelling a new wave of Jackson-mania?
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On Mother’s Day, ultimate ‘wife guy’ Ryan Reynolds sent Blake Lively a message that Holly immediately copy-pasted to shame her partner. So, is it 'husband goals', or playing fast and loose with the family fortune to risk everything defending your wife?
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Listen to The Quicky for the budget: The 2026 Budget For Basic B*tches
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Listen: How To Be Liked By Absolutely Everyone
Listen: Writing a List of Anti-Goals Made Me Quit My Job
Listen: Scurrilous Gossip: A Facelift Slippage & ‘Wildly Unhappy’ Royals
Listen: The Red Carpet Moment That Answers The Blake Lively Question
Listen: Fake Nips & Wandering Hands: Mia’s Met Gala Verdict
Listen: We Do Not Agree On The Taxi Cab Theory
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What to read:
A dot point guide to the 2026 Federal Budget.
"He's stopped breathing." The complicated story of Michael Jackson's death.
The lawsuit is settled. The Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni beef is not.
Blake Lively just got the last laugh at the Met Gala.
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Outlouders, enjoy this free taster of Mia Freedman, Holly Wainwright and Emily Vernem on our subscribers only episode. You can listen to the full conversation: 'Scurrilous Gossip: The Royal Affair No One Saw Coming' here.
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Welcome to another episode of Scurillous Gossip, where we stand by nothing. Here’s what we cover:
We know why Helena Bonham Carter pulled the plug on The White Lotus Season Four.
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And we also know way too much about the strangest celebrity-royal rumour we’ve ever heard. Yes, we’re talking about Sarah Ferguson and… look, you won’t believe it.
Then, the former Prince Andrew was chased by a man with a crowbar, and it’s about to make Prince Harry’s security battle even more complicated.
And, Em’s Roman Empire is the relationship she calls ‘the most toxic situationship ever’, featuring one Mindy Kaling.
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What To Listen To Next:
Listen to our latest episode: How To Be Liked By Absolutely Everyone
Listen: Writing a List of Anti-Goals Made Me Quit My Job
Listen: Scurrilous Gossip: A Facelift Slippage & ‘Wildly Unhappy’ Royals
Listen: The Red Carpet Moment That Answers The Blake Lively Question
Listen: Fake Nips & Wandering Hands: Mia’s Met Gala Verdict
Listen: We Do Not Agree On The Taxi Cab Theory
Listen: She Opened The Fridge. What She Found Ended Her Friendship.
Listen: The Real Reason You Resent Your Friends
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Got questions or things you'd like Mia to talk about? Email us at [email protected]
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What to read:
We finally know the plot of The White Lotus Season 4, and it's not what anyone expected.
We need to discuss Fergie and the alleged 'corgi cloning'.
HOLLY WAINWRIGHT: Why Fergie is the most feared royal.
Cassie’s mum took out a home loan to protect her daughter against Diddy. She just told the world why.
Mindy Kaling and B. J. Novak fell in love on The Office. They were a 'romantic, toxic mess'.
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Popular culture has decided that men wearing ‘slutty little shorts’ might be the only way to combat global anxiety. From Harry Styles’ new video to Taron Egerton’s psycho dance to the $120 million ad starring Chalamet & Bunny, we’re not mad, just curious.
Speaking of anxiety, a political earthquake just hit regional Australia, and every sitting politician is currently doing a little nervous wee. Yes, we’re unpacking the 30-year-coming rise of Pauline Hanson’s One Nation.

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Some people think a 30-minute journey only takes 15, and it turns out there is a very specific name for people who live with this brand of chaos: ‘time optimists’. Holly and Clare identify, but is being a ‘time optimist’ a sign of a positive outlook or are you just, as punctual Amelia hints, just a lil’ bit selfish?
And: People who are liked by everyone are all good at one specific thing. Here’s how to fake it.
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Listen to our latest episode: Writing a List of Anti-Goals Made Me Quit My Job
Listen: Scurrilous Gossip: A Facelift Slippage & ‘Wildly Unhappy’ Royals
Listen: The Red Carpet Moment That Answers The Blake Lively Question
Listen: Fake Nips & Wandering Hands: Mia’s Met Gala Verdict
Listen: We Do Not Agree On The Taxi Cab Theory
Listen: She Opened The Fridge. What She Found Ended Her Friendship.
Listen: The Real Reason You Resent Your Friends
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What to read:
We need to stop romanticising the 'always late' friend.
Harry Styles refuses to repeat himself. On his fourth album, that's the whole point.
'I've been the "useful" friend my whole life. Here's why I'm done.'
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Hairy chests are back. Hurrah! That’s it. Moving on…
Mother’s Day is this Sunday and the 'active duty' debate is officially ruining the vibe. Why has a day for mums turned into a high-stakes content pillar and also please enjoy the very frank text Clare Stephens sent her partner about presents.
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Plus, we talk about the big things we’ve said NO to in our lives and find out that actually, Emily Vernem could have been a reality TV star by now.
And, Holly did something in the office bathroom she fears was a breach of etiquette.
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Recommendations
Em recommends BondiBoost miracle mist.
Clare recommends the new Serial podcast, The Idiot.
Holly recommends Famesick by Lena Dunham.
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Listen to our latest episode: Scurrilous Gossip: A Facelift Slippage & ‘Wildly Unhappy’ Royals
Listen: The Red Carpet Moment That Answers The Blake Lively Question
Listen: Fake Nips & Wandering Hands: Mia’s Met Gala Verdict
Listen: We Do Not Agree On The Taxi Cab Theory
Listen: She Opened The Fridge. What She Found Ended Her Friendship.
Listen: The Real Reason You Resent Your Friends
Listen: The One Minute Of Live TV That Undid A Noughties Icon
Listen: Scurrilous Gossip: An Engagement, An Affair & A Royal F-You
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What to read:
Thank god Hollywood has started hiring hot men off the street again.
'I'm a fashion writer. Here are 8 things I'd easily buy my picky mum for Mother's Day.'
'What Zoë Foster Blake taught me about how to say no, and why it matters.'
Modern Etiquette: The 23 workplace rules you’re definitely breaking.
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CREDITS:
Hosts: Holly Wainwright, Clare Stephens & Emily Vernem
Group Executive Producer: Ruth Devine
Executive Producer: Sasha Tannock
Video Producer: Josh Green
Junior Content Producer: Tessa Kotowicz
Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land on which we have recorded this podcast.

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