Coffee & Flowers: A podcast about The National

The myriad stories that interweave throughout 'Boxer' and beyond all come together as we take a final look at the record as a whole.

We consider what it means to end the album in a garden, beneath holiday rainbow lights and with a nice icy drink in your hand.

Ada lets us all have her neck. "The touching of a person's neck is much more intimate than kissing them on the mouth, don't you think?" - Matt Berninger

Boxer's young professional takes a look in the mirror and asks us: "What is it all worth?"

We enter "prison for jerks" and find two people struggling to escape this relationship jail of their own making.