Does Lido's Dual Governance Now Make It the Safest Place to Stake ETH? - Ep. 860
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Lido just rolled out one of the most ambitious governance overhauls in DeFi: a dual governance system designed to give power back to stakers—and make it harder for malicious proposals to pass.
But what does it actually do?
And could it make Lido the safest place to stake ETH?
Hasu, a strategic advisor at Lido, and Lido co-founder Vasiliy Shapovalov join Unchained to break it all down.
How the dual governance model works
Whether this dilutes LDO token value
What this means for DeFi, and if others will follow
Whether this might get institutions off the sidelines
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Guests:
Hasu, Strategic advisor to Lido and Strategy lead at Flashbots.
Vasiliy Shapovalov, Co-founder of Lido
Unchained: Lido DAO Enables Dual Governance, stETH Holders Can Trigger ‘Rage-Quit’ Mode
Learn more about the topics discussed:
How Liquid Staking Works
What Are Externally Owned Accounts (EOAs) in Ethereum?
What Is Multi-Party Computation (MPC) and How Does It Work on Blockchains?
What Is Distributed Validator Technology?
Timestamps:
🎬 0:00 Intro
🧩 2:07 What problem Lido’s new governance model is actually solving
⚙️ 7:33 How dual governance works—and why it’s such a big shift
🚀 15:32 Why Hasu says this changes everything for Lido
🧠 22:20 What the team had to weigh when designing the system
🛡️ 30:26 How Lido built in resistance to attacks
📉 32:02 Whether this system weakens the value of the LDO token
🗳️ 38:58 How they’re thinking about fixing DeFi’s voter apathy problem
🏦 45:29 Whether institutions will see this as a positive sign and embrace stETH
🌐 48:01 How this compares to Sky’s “emergency shutdown”—and whether DeFi will follow suit
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Crypto and Fintech Are Colliding. Who Wins, and How? - Ep. 856
Cross-border payments. Mobile money. Stablecoins. Crypto.
Elizabeth Rossiello has lived through every cycle, not from a trading desk, but the front lines of African markets.
Now, the founder of AZA Finance is selling her company to global fintech giant dLocal, a signal that the line between crypto and traditional finance is blurring fast.
In this episode, she talks about:
How stablecoins are powering 24/7 commerce in emerging markets
Why new entrants keep failing to gain traction
And how liquidity, not tech, will determine who wins this new game
All that, plus the inside story of AZA’s journey from a Nairobi-based Bitcoin exchange to one of the most important fintech players in Africa.
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Human Rights Foundation
Xapo Bank
Elizabeth Rossiello, CEO and Founder of AZA Finance
Previous appearance on Unchained: BitPesa's Elizabeth Rossiello on Necker Island
dLocal announces intention to acquire AZA Finance to strengthen
AZA Finance: dLocal announces intention to acquire AZA Finance to strengthen presence in Africa and expand capabilities
Bloomberg: Uruguay’s DLocal to Buy AZA Finance in Africa Push
American Banker: What experienced payment execs can pass to a new generation
The Startup Leap: Building A Remittance App for Africa’s $1tr Market | Elizabeth Rossiello | Aza Finance
Jack Zhang of Airwallex tweet saying he doesn’t see “a single use case” for crypto
Timestamps:
🎬0:00 Intro
🌍 3:30 What Africa’s early payments scene looked like and how Elizabeth launched the first Bitcoin exchange there
📲 10:54 How the continent’s payment rails evolved
🔥 16:15 How Western Union dropped its pricing after her company launched
💸 20:42 Why stablecoins became a game-changer for cross-border payments
📊 25:24 What the real volume drivers are
🌐 28:53 How crypto adoption in Africa shifted post-COVID
🤝 37:00 Why AZA decided to acquire two companies
⚠️ 38:46 How the FTX partnership hurt AZA
💼 41:37 How the dLocal deal came together behind the scenes
🔄 45:08 Why crypto and fintech are on a fast path to convergence
🏁 50:58 Which players Elizabeth thinks will win in the new payments race
📵 53:47 Why “mobile money” is still tough competition for crypto
💥 56:48 How USDT has an edge in emerging markets
🇨🇳 58:50 How China’s deep ties to Africa have shaped the game
🚀 1:01:37 What it’s been like to build AZA as a young woman founder in crypto
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The Rise of Public Crypto, ICOs Make a Comeback, and Coinbase Wins Again – The Chopping Block - Ep. 850
Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Tarun Chitra, and Robert Leshner chop it up about the latest in crypto. This week, we’re joined by a special guest: Laura Shin, host of Unchained! The crew unpacks Circle’s explosive IPO, Tether’s threat to exit the U.S., and the meme-stock logic powering the rise of “crypto treasury companies.” From Coinbase’s grip on USDC to Wall Street’s sudden enthusiasm for stablecoins, we explore how public markets are reshaping crypto’s power centers. Is Circle overvalued—or the last compliant winner left? And are ICOs really back? We debate whether crypto’s just maturing—or if it’s being hijacked by the suits.
Show highlights
🔹 Circle’s IPO Shocks Wall Street – One of the biggest two-day pops in IPO history: Did bankers misprice, or did crypto just break TradFi?
🔹 Stablecoin Season or Meme Stock Mania? – Circle hits 160x earnings, 15x revenue—Tarun calls it “CoreWeave for finance”
🔹 Tether Threatens U.S. Exit – New regulation looms: Will Circle rule America while Tether dominates abroad?
🔹 The Coinbase Cut – Why Coinbase might be the real winner behind USDC—and the hidden economics of stablecoin margins
🔹 Banking Consortium Incoming? – JPMorgan and Wells reportedly plotting their own stablecoin play. Is Circle racing against the banks?
🔹 The Rise of Treasury Tokens – From MicroStrategy to Solana clones: Are “crypto holding companies” the new ETF?
🔹 Copycats or Cult Leaders? – Why everyone wants to be Saylor—and why most won’t survive
🔹 Are These Companies Just Meme Stocks? – Laura and Tarun debate whether tradable crypto firms have real value—or just vibes
🔹 The Return of the ICO – Plasma raises $500M on Sonar, sparking a new wave of pre-token speculation
🔹 Is This Financial Innovation or Regulatory Theater? – Haseeb asks: Are we maturing—or just dressing TradFi in crypto clothes?
⭐️Haseeb Qureshi, Managing Partner at Dragonfly
⭐️Robert Leshner, CEO & Co-founder of Superstate
⭐️Tarun Chitra, Managing Partner at Robot Ventures
⭐️Laura Shin, Journalist, Author of ‘The Cryptopians,’ Founder and CEO of Unchained
Timestamps
00:00 Intro
01:25 Circle's IPO: A Historic Event
03:16 Market Reactions & Implications
06:49 Stablecoin Legislation & Tether's Response
08:56 Circle's Market Position & Future
23:12 Crypto Treasury Companies: The New Trend
32:09 Understanding Convertible Arbitrage in Crypto
37:02 Potential Risks and Market Dynamics
41:36 The Influence of Michael Saylor
43:57 The Need for Charismatic Leaders in Crypto
50:07 The Rise of ICOs and Market Trends
55:04 Concluding Thoughts on ICOs
HostsDisclosures
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This week on Bits + Bips, the panel tackles the biggest themes driving crypto: Circle’s triumphant IPO, ETH’s institutional tailwinds, and the fast-shrinking Bitcoin supply on exchanges. Plus, what Gemini’s IPO ambitions tell us about the state of exchanges, and whether Ram’s call for a BTC breakout is about to hit.
Also on the docket:
Is Circle really worth its sky-high valuation?
Why exchange fees are stuck in the 1970s
ETH: the quiet trade that might be heating up
Oh, and yes, they talk about the Trump–Elon feud too 😅
Sponsors:
Bitwise
James Seyffart, Research Analyst at Bloomberg Intelligence
Ram Ahluwalia, CFA, CEO and Founder of Lumida
Steve Ehrlich, Executive Editor at Unchained
Guest:
Sal Ternullo, Managing Partner at A100x Ventures
The Conversation: The blow-up between Elon Musk and Donald Trump has been entertaining, but how did things go so bad, so fast?
Unchained:
Stablecoin Giant Circle Raises $1.1 Billion in Its IPO
Early Circle Backer Slams IPO in Expletive-Filled Letter
BlackRock’s IBIT Becomes Fastest-Ever ETF to Top $70B
Blockworks: Gemini files confidential S-1 with SEC in road to IPO
The Block:
Trump’s Truth Social files S-1 with SEC for Bitcoin ETF
15-day streak brings Ethereum ETFs to record high cumulative inflow value
Metaplanet unveils $5.4B equity raise plan to accelerate bitcoin accumulation
Cointelegraph: Bitcoin supply shock? Percentage of BTC on exchanges nears 2018 levels
CoinDesk:
MSTR Boosts Stack Again
Strategy to Raise Nearly $1B With STRD Preferred Stock Offering to Accumulate BTC
Bloomberg: Metaplanet’s shares surged 22% after unveiling a record-setting $5.4 billion stock rights program aimed at growing its bitcoin holdings.
Timestamps:
👋 0:00 Intro
🧠 1:28 Why the market is ignoring the Trump-Elon “break up”
📈 16:47 Is there a reason for Circle’s eye-watering valuation? (And what it means for crypto VC)
🏦 30:25 Why Circle may struggle to compete with traditional banks
🚀 38:34 Why exchanges should rush to go public
🌐 46:40 Why Ram thinks that the market is immune from more bad news
🔥 57:16 The secret signs of a coming bitcoin supply shock
🧾 1:03:58 What’s behind the bitcoin and ether ETFs’ recent momentum and if it will last
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Jeff Park on Why Owning 1 Bitcoin Is Young People's American Dream - Ep. 848
In part 2 of Jeff Park’s interview with Unchained, he describes ways that both everyday investors and the U.S. government can use various crypto assets to come out on top as old models and strategies become outdated.
He reveals the three personal stories that led him to develop his radical portfolio theory, puts himself in the shoes of Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent, and explains why Japan is the linchpin in the transition to this new world order.
In this episode, we explore:
Why Jeff believes the future belongs to wholecoiners
The social mission behind owning bitcoin
How the U.S. could leverage stablecoins to maintain global dominance
Why the new American dream might not involve a house at all
And why, in Jeff’s words, we may already be “living in a Bitcoin-only world.”
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Guest:
Jeff Park, Head of Alpha Strategies at Bitwise
Part 1 of Jeff on Unchained: Jeff Park Says the 60/40 Portfolio May Be Dead. Here’s His Radical Fix
Timestamps:
👋 0:00 Intro
📌 3:14 The 3 life events that shaped Jeff’s radical portfolio vision
🌍 7:58 Why crypto’s value is clearer outside privileged financial systems
🚀 15:18 Why Jeff is so bullish on STRK and what it represents
🌐 20:56 What it means to be “living in a Bitcoin-only world”
💥 27:42 Why the U.S. is vulnerable and what’s the new American Dream
🤝 32:36 What Jeff would do if he were in Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent’s position
🇯🇵 39:16 Why Jeff sees Japan as a critical piece of the global financial order
💵 48:36 Why stablecoins could be the U.S.’s most powerful financial weapon
🤔 54:50 Why Jeff is skeptical about a U.S. bitcoin reserve
🏛️ 59:14 Whether Bitcoin treasury companies are here to stay
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Crypto assets and blockchain technology are about to transform every trust-based interaction of our lives, from financial services to identity to the Internet of Things. In this podcast, host Laura Shin, an independent journalist covering all things crypto, talks with industry pioneers about how crypto assets and blockchains will change the way we earn, spend and invest our money. Tune in to find out how Web 3.0, the decentralized web, will revolutionize our world. Disclosure: I'm a nocoiner.