The Sustainable Food Trust Podcast

Sir Julian Rose and his daughter, Miriam Rose, of the Hardwick Estate – England's first community-owned estate – joined our CEO, Patrick Holden, on the SFT Podcast.
Julian Rose was one of the pioneers of organic farming in the UK. In the late 1960s, Julian inherited ownership of the Hardwick Estate and by 1975 the 375-acre farmland had been converted to organic status. 40 years later, the Rose family have made the decision to transfer ownership of the Estate to the local community, seeking to move away from a history of private aristocratic ownership.
Following closely in her father's footsteps, Miriam says she identified as a 'natural environmentalist' from a very young age having grown up on the farm, and has been a fierce advocate ever since – including spending eight days incarcerated in Iceland after protesting the country's aluminium industry's impact on the rivers. Nowadays, Miriam sits on the board of Trustees of the Hardwick Estate, overseeing its direction, which is otherwise managed by the Hardwick community.
In this episode, Julian and Miriam go into more detail about how this community-owned model works, as well as the risks involved with this approach, and they discuss whether or not this model could be scaled. They also talk about the complex feelings they have towards land-ownership and the inheritance of wealth.
Find out more about the Hardwick Estate here.
This conversation was recorded in October 2025. Featured image courtesy of www.julianrose.info/.
 
Timestamps
0:00: Welcome Julian and Miriam!
01:04: The history of the Hardwick Estate and how the Julian came to inherit the Estate
9:05: Patrick and Julian's involvement in the early organic movement – including the beginnings of the UK's organic food standards
12:15: Miriam's early beginnings as an environmentalist and her role at Hardwick
15:12: Becoming England's first community-owned estate
22:35: How does the community ownership model work?
24:46: What are the risks involved with this approach?
30:02: 50 years of organic at the Hardwick Estate
32:58: Can this community-owned model be scaled?
33:59: The complexities of inheriting land and wealth 
 
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What's really going on in food and farming? Two farmers – Patrick Holden, founder of the Sustainable Food Trust, and Stuart Oates, founder of the Fossil Free Farm project – get behind the headlines to unpack the biggest stories shaping what we eat, how we farm and the future of the planet. Expect lively debate, real-world experience, and unique insights from some of food and farming's top voices.
For our first episode of 2026, Patrick and Stuart talk about the extreme weather we've experienced, just days into the new year – reflecting on the disruption that Storm Goretti caused, particularly in Cornwall where Stuart farms, they discuss the incredible display of community resilience in response to shocks like this.
Elsewhere in the conversation, Patrick also talks about his time at the Oxford farming conferences – both Oxford Real Farming Conference and Oxford Farming Conference – where the environment secretary announced updates to the Sustainable Farming Incentive (SFI) and Farming in Protected Landscapes (FiPL) schemes; Stuart discusses Marks & Spencer's new range of nutrient dense food, and the two also debate the importance of measuring farming system outcomes and explore the challenges that come with this.
To join in the conversation, get in touch with us at [email protected] – let us know what you'd like to hear Patrick and Stuart talk about next time.
 
Timestamps:
0:00: Welcome!
0:13: The overproduction of milk affecting price per litre
2:32: The aftermath of Storm Goretti and show of community spirit
6:48: Local procurement vs exports
8:31: ORFC and OFC
13:00: Are big food companies comitting greenwash or should we embrace their regen efforts?
20:38: Defra's recent announcement on SFI and FiPL
24:07: Should we and how can we measure farming system outcomes?
29:50: M&S's 'nutrient dense' food range
31:48: McDonald's efforts to champion higher quality food
35:06: What's Stuart up to in Brazil?
36:08: Patrick's message on health for 2026
37:17: Global dependence on roundup
41:03: Goodbye!
 
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What's really going on in food and farming? Two farmers – Patrick Holden, founder of the Sustainable Food Trust, and Stuart Oates, founder of the Fossil Free Farm project – get behind the headlines to unpack the biggest stories shaping what we eat, how we farm and the future of the planet. Expect lively debate, real-world experience, and unique insights from some of food and farming's top voices.
In this episode, Patrick and Stuart explore the current distortion of food pricing, with Christmas vegetables being used as loss leaders in supermarkets. They discuss nose-to-tail eating, share Patrick's carrot-growing journey, and reflect on making the most of festive meals and holiday food traditions. The conversation finishes with New Year's resolutions and ideas for a few ways to access 'flow state' to help us to be present in our day-to-day lives.
To join in the conversation, get in touch with us at [email protected] – let us know what you'd like to hear Patrick and Stuart talk about in the next episode!

Our CEO, Patrick Holden, recently sat down for a conversation with Sir Tim Smit, former archaeologist, music producer and founder of the Eden Project and Lost Gardens of Heligan in Cornwall.
In this episode, Patrick and Tim talk about the emerging dangers of forever chemicals for the environment and human health, reconceptualising what we mean when we talk about farms and their importance for mental health and wellbeing, and why the integration of food and farming into the national curriculum "shouldn't be fringe, it should be right at the core".
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This conversation was recorded in December 2025.

What's really going on in food and farming? Two farmers – Patrick Holden, founder of the Sustainable Food Trust, and Stuart Oates, founder of the Fossil Free Farm project – get behind the headlines to unpack the biggest stories shaping what we eat, how we farm and the future of the planet. Expect lively debate, real-world experience, and unique insights from some of food and farming's top voices.
In this week's episode, Patrick and Stuart talk about forever chemicals and the increasing awareness of their impact on human health – as recently investigated in an episode of the BBC's Panorama. They also discuss the politicisation of regenerative agriculture; Patrick shares his thoughts on the publication of new research reviewing the safety of the widely used herbicide, Roundup, and asks what a post-Roundup farming future might look like; and Stuart reflects on his camel farming journey and how at one point he had the largest camel farm (21 camels!) in mainland Europe.
To join in the conversation, get in touch with us at [email protected] – let us know what you'd like to hear Patrick and Stuart talk about in next week's episode!
 
Follow Patrick and the Sustainable Food Trust:
https://www.instagram.com/susfoodtrust/ | https://www.instagram.com/hafodcheese/
https://bsky.app/profile/susfoodtrust.bsky.social
https://www.facebook.com/SusFoodTrust
https://www.linkedin.com/company/sustainable-food-trust/
 
Find out more about Stuart and the Fossil Free Farm project:
https://fossilfreefarm.com/
https://www.instagram.com/camelstu/
https://www.youtube.com/@farmerstu