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Anastasia Parmson

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Under the Pavement: Tanja Smeets on Materials, Collaboration & Growth
07/04/2026 | 1 h 28 min
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A conversation with Dutch artist Tanja Smeets, whose site-specific installations employ diverse and industrial materials (concrete spacers, leaf catchers, textiles, ceramics and 3D-printed steel) to create large scale works that appear to grow organically from architecture and cityscapes.
Guided by her catchphrase “Under the pavement the roots are whirling,” Tanja's practice reveals what it takes to work at the intersection of art, craft, technology and collaboration.

Key insights from this episode:
• Why art school felt like failure
• Finding and transforming unusual materials
• Residencies at TextielLab and European Ceramic Work Center: pushing porcelain through frying sieves, learning embroidery and more
• The volcano eruption: teaching an assistant to knot lentils into lycra via Zoom when flights were grounded
• Miami airport interrogation: five suitcases, a letter and threatening border patrol agents with a lecture on art

Tanja Smeets is a Dutch artist based in Utrecht. Her work has been exhibited internationally including Manifesta and Museum Boijmans van Beuningen. See her work in person at
Westerpark, Amsterdam (permanent public sculpture) and Centraal Museum, Utrecht (permanent installation in historic staircase).
03:24 Favorite Quote – Under the Pavement the Roots Are Whirling
09:35 The Iceland Trip That Changed Everything
15:49 From Painting to Installation – When Everything Clicked
20:10 A Government Building Commission – Dripping Through Multiple Floors
22:50 How the Opportunities Started Coming
29:24 TextielLab – Combining Felt with Leaf Catchers
33:09 European Ceramic Work Center Residency
47:47 When the White Cube Doesn’t Work
48:52 Manifesta Barcelona – Installing on 5th-Century Graves
51:17 Building Solo vs Working with Teams
56:33 The Commercial Question – “I’m Always Disappearing into Big Installations”
01:02:10 Miami Airport – Five Suitcases and the Threat of a Lecture
01:06:56 MX3D Collaboration – 3D-Printed Stainless Steel
01:11:43 Finding Technical Collaborators and Pushing Boundaries
01:17:09 Dream Project
01:20:00 Advice for Emerging Artists
Opening of solo exhibition and launch of new publication and film about Tanja’s work: 11 April 2026 at the Utrecht in Leeuwarden.
The book can be ordered via [email protected]

You can find out more about her work at https://www.tanjasmeets.nl/ and follow her on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/studiotanjasmeets/

Also mentioned in this episode:
Dyckman Farmhouse Museum: https://dyckmanfarmhouse.org/ | https://www.instagram.com/dyckmanfarmhouse | @dyckmanfarmhousemuseum8502
Museum Boijmans van Beuningen: https://www.boijmans.nl/en | https://www.instagram.com/boijmans/
TextielMuseum: https://textielmuseum.nl/en | https://www.instagram.com/textielmuseum/
TextielLab: https://textiellab.nl/en
European Ceramic Work Centre: https://ekwc.nl/en/ | https://www.instagram.com/ekwc_oisterwijk/ @sundaymorningekwc6951
David Lynch: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Lynch
Eraserhead: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074486/
Blue Velvet: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0090756/
Kunsthal KAdE: https://www.kunsthalkade.nl/en/ | https://www.instagram.com/kunsthal_kade_amersfoort | https://www.youtube.com/user/KUNSTHALKADE
Manifesta: https://manifesta.org/ | https://www.instagram.com/manifestabiennial/ | @Manifesta_foundation
Mondriaan Fund: https://www.mondriaanfonds.nl/en/homepage-2/ | https://www.instagram.com/mondriaanfonds/
Museum of Arts And Design: https://madmuseum.org/ | https://www.instagram.com/madmuseum | @madmuseum
Museum Vizcaya: https://vizcaya.org/ | https://www.instagram.com/vizcaya_museum/ | @VizcayaMuseum
Westerpark: https://www.iamsterdam.com/en/explore/neighbourhoods/westerpark | https://www.instagram.com/iamsterdam
MX3D: https://mx3d.com/ | https://www.instagram.com/mx3d.metal.printing/ | @officialMX3D
Centraal Museum Utrecht: https://www.centraalmuseum.nl/en | https://www.instagram.com/centraalmuseum

The Installation Art Podcast is a show about people who love and work with the contemporary art medium of installation. The host Anastasia Parmson, an artist herself, interviews internationally renowned artists and arts workers about the intricacies and behind-the-scenes stories of creating and showing work that is site-specific, ephemeral, large scale or immersive.

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Your host Anastasia Parmson: www.anastasiaparmson.art https://www.instagram.com/anastasiaparmson.art/
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Bonus: I Went to Helsinki Biennale So You Don't Have To (But You Should)
31/03/2026 | 31 min
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A bonus solo episode about my last minute art trip to Helsinki: what I saw at Helsinki Biennale on Vallisaari island, three must-visit museums (Kiasma, Amos Rex, HAM), and why sometimes the best art experiences require a little effort to reach.
Last August, I hopped a ferry from Estonia to catch the closing days of Helsinki Biennale. In a day and a half, I discovered why island biennales create magic, why Nordic countries do art infrastructure better and what Australia can learn from Finland's approach to supporting artists and making contemporary art accessible to everyone.
This isn't a comprehensive review, it’s my honest impressions, favorite discoveries and a few rants.
What I cover in this episode:
• Why the ferry journey to Vallisaari island matters (hello, Cockatoo Island nostalgia)
• The challenge of installing art outdoors: scale, setting and competing with historic buildings
• Standout works: Sara Bjärland's bronze "inflatable" sculptures, Tania Candiani's immersive bunker installation, Ana Teresa Barboza's woven bark forest
• Three essential Helsinki museums: Kiasma (timeless favorite), Amos Rex (new obsession), HAM (Biennale HQ)
• Gushing about Helsinki Central Library (Oodi): free recording studios, 3D printing, instrument hire – everything Sydney libraries lack…
• Free museum days and artist benefits: how my Australian NAVA card got me free entry in Finland (but not in Sydney... explain that)

00:00 Why I Went To Helsinki Biennale
01:20 Getting to Vallisaari
03:31 Island Setting and Challenges
07:06 Scent Art Surprise
08:46 Standout Works
13:14 Lesson About Rushing
15:28 Rainy Day Museum Crawl: Kiasma
16:32 Amos Rex and HAM
21:44 Finland Artist Perks
23:37 Wrap Up and Listener Poll

Resources:
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Also mentioned in this episode:
Helsinki Biennale: https://helsinkibiennaali.fi/en/ | https://www.instagram.com/helsinkibiennial/
Vallisaari: https://vallisaari.fi/en_US | https://www.instagram.com/vallisaari.fi
Biennale of Sydney: https://www.biennaleofsydney.art/ | https://www.instagram.com/biennalesydney/ | @biennaleofsydney
Cockatoo Island: https://www.cockatooisland.gov.au/en/ | https://www.instagram.com/harbourtrust/ | @HarbourTrust2088
Olafur Eliasson: https://olafureliasson.net/ | https://www.instagram.com/studioolafureliasson/
Raimo Saarinen: https://www.raimosaarinen.com/ | https://www.instagram.com/raimosaarinen/
Sara Bjarland: https://sarabjarland.com/ | https://www.instagram.com/sbjarland/
Tania Candiani: https://taniacandiani.com/en/ | https://www.instagram.com/tcandiani/
Ana Teresa Barboza: https://www.anateresabarboza.com/ | https://www.instagram.com/anateresa.barbozagubo/
Nabbteeri: https://www.nabbteeri.com/ | https://www.instagram.com/maria_birkhuhn/ | https://www.instagram.com/nabbage/
Kiasma: https://kiasma.fi/en/ | https://www.instagram.com/kiasmamuseum
Amos Rex: https://amosrex.fi/en/ | https://www.instagram.com/amoskonst/
Anna Estarriola: https://www.annaestarriola.com/ | https://www.instagram.com/annaestarriola/
HAM: https://www.hamhelsinki.fi/en/ | https://www.instagram.com/hamhelsinki/
Oodi: https://oodihelsinki.fi/en/ | https://www.instagram.com/oodihelsinki/
NAVA: https://visualarts.net.au/ | https://www.instagram.com/nava_visualarts/
Drawing in Space: Monika Grzymala on Tape, Ephemeral Art & Intuition
17/03/2026 | 59 min
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A philosophical conversation with Berlin-based artist Monika Grzymala, whose spatial drawings transform architecture with nothing but kilometers of black tape, intuition and intense physical labor.
Monika's practice is deceptively simple: she works alone, without assistants, using adhesive tape to create immersive three-dimensional drawings that respond to each unique space. But beneath that simplicity we discuss profound questions about ephemerality, energy, presence and what remains when a work only exists for weeks before disappearing…
From training as a stone sculptor to making her first site-specific drawing on ice at a Hamburg skating rink, from dumping all her figurative work after one transformative conversation with her professor to developing custom tape formulas with German manufacturers—Monika's journey reveals how radical simplicity can be the most powerful artistic choice.
Key insights from this episode:
• How one professor's comment changed everything
• The longevity of tape installations: 2-3 months before they fall apart (and why that's intentional)
• Documentation philosophy: why time-lapse videos don't capture the real process
• Living inside an installation: the collector who surrounded herself with Monika's work
• Advice for emerging artists: you don't need funding or large studios—just do it
Monika Grzymala is a Polish artist based in Berlin. You can find out more about her work on her website: http://www.t-r-a-n-s-i-t.net/ and follow her on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/monika.grzymala/
Monika’s publications: https://www.betterworldbooks.com/search/results?q=monika grzymala

She is represented by
Galerie CRONE: https://www.galeriecrone.com/ | https://www.instagram.com/galerie_crone/
BERG Contemporary: https://www.bergcontemporary.is/en | https://www.instagram.com/bergcontemporary/
SECCI Gallery: https://www.seccigallery.com/ | https://www.instagram.com/secci_gallery/

03:20 Studio Rituals
03:48 Berlin Life And Process
05:44 Origins And Training
08:01 Finding The Line
13:25 Ephemeral Tape Philosophy
31:24 Hunting For The Perfect Tape
32:21 Liquid Drawing Mindset
36:14 Funding Ephemeral Installations
38:06 Energy, Memory And Reality
41:31 Logistics And Documentation
56:15 Advice For Young Artists

Also mentioned in this episode:
MoMA: https://www.moma.org/ | https://www.instagram.com/themuseumofmodernart | @themuseumofmodernart
The Drawing Center: https://drawingcenter.org/ | https://www.instagram.com/drawingcenter/
Biennale of Sydney: https://www.biennaleofsydney.art/ | https://www.instagram.com/biennalesydney/ | @biennaleofsydney
Tokyo Art Museum: https://www.tobikan.jp/en/ | https://www.instagram.com/tokyometropolitanartmuseum/ | @tokyometropolitanartmuseum7280
Louise Bourgeois: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise_Bourgeois | https://www.instagram.com/artistelouisebourgeois/
Documenta: https://documenta.de/en | https://www.instagram.com/documenta_official | @documenta_official
Bogomir Ecker: https://www.artforum.com/events/bogomir-ecker-2-226647/
Olafur Eliasson: https://olafureliasson.net/ | https://www.instagram.com/studioolafureliasson/ Dian Woodner: https://patronview.com/patrons/dian-woodner
Frac Lorraine: https://www.fraclorraine.org/en/ | https://www.instagram.com/fraclorraine/ | @49nord6est-fraclorraine
Kunstlerhaus Dortmund: https://www.kh-do.de/ | https://www.instagram.com/kuenstlerinnenhaus_dortmund | @kunstlerhausdortmund2577
Kunstmuseum Basel: https://kunstmuseumbasel.ch/ | https://www.instagram.com/kunstmuseumbasel/ | @kumubasel

The Installation Art Podcast is a show about people who love and work with the contemporary art medium of installation. The host Anastasia Parmson, an artist herself, interviews internationally renowned artists and arts workers about the intricacies and behind-the-scenes stories of creating and showing work that is site-specific, ephemeral, large scale or immersive.

🔔 Hit subscribe or follow wherever you’re listening to never miss a new episode.

📢 Follow us on social media:
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Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@installationartpodcast

📚 More information about the show and previous episodes: www.installationartpodcast.com
Your host Anastasia Parmson: www.anastasiaparmson.art https://www.instagram.com/anastasiaparmson.art/
Behind the Scenes of the Art World: Carrie Scott on Fees, Access & Support
24/02/2026 | 1 h 20 min
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A refreshingly candid conversation with Carrie Scott: curator, art consultant, broadcaster and founder of Seen, a media platform connecting the art world to the real world.
This is our most unfiltered episode yet, where we tackle topics that might "get us in trouble": what consultants actually charge, why artists should have elevator pitches (despite what famous curators say), whether museums should pay artists a percentage of ticket sales, and how galleries claim they'll "find you" while rejecting all submissions.
Carrie's career spans working with major galleries in Seattle and New York, collaborating with Nick Knight for a decade, launching groundbreaking exhibitions and now building a consultancy that refuses to be motivated purely by commission. She is opinionated, pragmatic and genuinely invested in making the art world less intimidating and more transparent.
Key insights from this episode:
• The real numbers: what art consultants charge
• Why Carrie is building an art consultancy that is not centered around transaction
• The controversial debate: should artists have an elevator pitch?
• What galleries mean when they say "don't contact us" (and should you ignore it)?
• Creative health as the third pillar of wellness alongside physical and mental health
• Practical advice for ambitious artists and where to find helpful resources
Carrie Scott is a curator, art historian, consultant and broadcaster based in London. She is the founder of Seen, a media platform and consultancy dedicated to connecting the art world to the real world.
You can find out more about her work at https://www.seen.art/ and follow her on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/carriescottcurates/

00:34 Carrie's Favorite Quote
03:34 Background and Early Life
07:13 Journey into Art and Education
09:58 First Job and Early Career Challenges
21:26 Transition to Consulting and Launching Her Own Business
40:24 The Value of Installation Art
43:48 Challenges in Monetizing Installation Art
45:35 Artist-Museum Revenue Sharing
52:05 Curating and Supporting Artists
56:26 Advice for Emerging Artists
01:09:45 Dream Projects and Future Plans

Also mentioned in this episode:
Brothers And Keepers by John Edgar Wideman: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/50891912-brothers-and-keepers
Overherd oat milk: https://overherd.uk/ | https://www.instagram.com/overherd.uk
The Wallace Collection: https://www.wallacecollection.org/ | https://www.instagram.com/wallacemuseum | @TheWallacecollection
Jean-Honoré Fragonard: https://www.wikiart.org/en/jean-honore-fragonard
Dickinson College: https://www.dickinson.edu/ | https://www.instagram.com/dickinsoncollege | @dsoncollege
Conde Nast: https://www.condenast.com/
University of Washington: https://www.washington.edu/ | https://www.instagram.com/uofwa/ | @universityofwashington
Seattle Magazine: https://seattlemag.com/ | https://www.instagram.com/seattlemag/
The Seattle Times: https://www.seattletimes.com/ | https://www.instagram.com/seattletimes/
Seattle University: https://www.seattleu.edu/ | https://www.instagram.com/seattleu/ | @seattleuniversity
The Stranger: https://www.thestranger.com/ | https://www.instagram.com/thestrangerseattle/
James Harris: https://jamesharrisgallery.com/ | https://www.instagram.com/jamesharrisgallery/
Rashid Johnson: https://www.hauserwirth.com/artists/2830-rashid-johnson/ | https://www.instagram.com/rashidjohnson/
Nicole Klagsburn: https://www.nicoleklagsbrun.com/ | https://www.instagram.com/nicole_klagsbrun_inc/
Matt Day Jackson: https://www.hauserwirth.com/viewing-room/matthew-day-jackson/ https://www.instagram.com/matthewdayjackson/
Mika Rottenberg: https://www.hauserwirth.com/artists/23390-mika-rottenberg/ | https://www.instagram.com/mikarottenberg/
Jimmy Moffat: https://www.instagram.com/jimmymoff/
Art + Commerce: https://artandcommerce.com/ | https://www.instagram.com/artandcommerce/
Annie Leibovitz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annie_Leibovitz | https://www.instagram.com/annieleibovitz/
Steven Meisel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Meisel | https://www.instagram.com/stevenmeiselofficial/
Nick Knight: https://www.nickknight.com/ | https://www.instagram.com/nick_knight/
180 Studios: https://www.180studios.com/ | https://www.instagram.com/180.studios/
The Art Show on Sky Arts: https://www.carrie-scott.com/theartshoq | https://www.instagram.com/artshowtv/ | @theartshow791
Simonette Quamina: https://www.simonettequamina.com/ | https://www.instagram.com/simonette_quamina/
John Pawson:
What Installation Artists Need: Nicolas de Oliveira & Nicola Oxley
03/02/2026 | 2 h 1 min
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An extraordinary conversation with Nicolas de Oliveira and Nicola Oxley, the writer-curator duo who literally wrote the books on installation art and founded the Museum of Installation in London. For nearly 40 years, they've been chroniclers, producers, curators, and advocates for a medium that barely had a name when they first started.
From publishing the definitive Installation Art books (1994, 2003) and commissioning hundreds of new works to building an extensive archive – Nicolas and Nicola have been at the coalface of installation art's evolution.
In this wide-ranging discussion, they share what it was like convincing galleries that installation art even existed, why good documentation became their mission, and how they've sustained independent curatorial practice for four decades on "absolute shoestring budgets."
Key insights from this episode:
• How installation art emerged and why galleries insisted it was "just sculpture"
• Coining the term "immersive" in their 2003 book (before it became ubiquitous)
• Their philosophy of curating as co-production
• The economics of independent spaces: how friendships sustain what funding cannot
• Why they turned down a massive London space and turned to making books
• The difference between installation art and the "entertainment industry" of immersive experiences
• Advice for emerging artists: practice comes first, outcomes come later

Nicolas de Oliveira and Nicola Oxley are based in London and run SE8 Gallery in Deptford. Their books Installation Art (1994) and Installation Art in the New Millennium (2003) remain foundational texts in the field.
They publish artist books under their imprint Mulberry Tree Press and continue to curate exhibitions internationally while maintaining one of the most extensive archives of installation art documentation in the world.
00:26 Discovering Installation Art
01:50 Early Influences and Inspirations
06:24 Founding Unit 7 Gallery
07:30 The Role of Documentation
14:45 Museum of Installation
18:30 SE8 Gallery and International Projects
20:05 Challenges of Space and Real Estate
24:10 Curatorial Practices and Artist Relationships
36:09 Writing Process and Collaboration
43:02 Funding and Sustainability
47:06 Installation Art and the Art Market
01:05:08 Supporting Artists Through Time and Commitment
01:07:36 Advice for Emerging Installation Practitioners
01:17:58 Curating Shows in Different Countries
01:24:09 Documenting and Archiving Installations
01:43:44 Defining Installation Art and Its Future

SE8 Gallery: https://se8.gallery/ | https://www.instagram.com/nicode.oliveira?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
Installation Art (1996): https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/12208566-installation-art
Installation Art in the New Millennium (2003): https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1972215.Installation_Art_in_the_New_Millennium
Our interview with Hans op de Beeck: https://installationartpodcast.com/hans-op-de-beeck-018
Bonus episode: What is Installation Art: https://installationartpodcast.com/bonus-025
Bonus episode: Why This 2026 Venice Biennale Scandal is Splitting the Art World: https://installationartpodcast.com/bonus-031

Also mentioned in this episode:
Goldsmith’s University: https://www.gold.ac.uk/ | https://www.instagram.com/goldsmithsuol/ | @GoldsmithsUoL
Arte Povera: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arte_Povera
Yves Klein: https://www.yvesklein.com/en/yves-klein/ |
Allan Kaprow: http://www.allankaprow.com/
Dan Graham: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Graham
Rachel Whiteread: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Whiteread | https://www.instagram.com/rachelwhitereadofficial/
Bruce Nauman: https://www.moma.org/artists/4243-bruce-nauman | https://www.instagram.com/brucenaumanart/
Edward Woodman: https://jhg.art/events/space-light-and-time-edward-woodman-a-retrospective/
Helen Chadwick: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Chadwick
Thames & Hudson: https://www.thamesandhudson.com/ | https://www.instagram.com/thamesandhudson
ICA London: https://www.ica.art/ https://www.instagram.com/icalondon/
Whitechapel Gallery: https://www.whitechapelgallery.org/ | https://www.instagram.com/whitechapelgallery | @whitechapelgallery
Camden Art Centre: https://camdenartcentre.org/ | https://www.instagram.com/camdenartcentre/ | @camden-art-centre
Museum of Installation: https://www.moca.london/moi.html | https://www.tate.org.uk/whats-on/tate-britain/museum-of-installation-archive
New Museum: https://www.newmuseum.org/ | https://www.instagram.com/newmuseum/ | @newmuseum
Phyllida Barlow: https://www.hauserwirth.com/artists/2826-phyllida-barlow/
KW Institute for Contemporary Art: https://www.kw-berlin.de/en/ | https://www.instagram.com/kwinstitutefcontemporaryart/
Boris Groys: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Groys
Goshka Macuga: https://www.moma.org/artists/131293-goshka-macuga | https://www.instagram.com/gonogo.space/?hl=en
Hans op de Beeck: https://hansopdebeeck.com/ | https://www.instagram.com/hans_op_de_beeck/
Dave Hickey: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Hickey
Stefan Brüggemann: http://www.stefanbruggemann.com/ |

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A new resource for all things installation art is here! Join host Anastasia Parmson – an artist herself — as she uncovers stories, challenges, and lessons from behind the scenes. The show brings you in-depth conversations with internationally renowned artists and arts professionals who have exhibited installation art on the global stage. In each episode, you will hear about the creative process and the personal journeys of these exceptional artists. We will gain insights into the unique joys and challenges; as well as the logistical and financial aspects of working with installation art. Join us every fortnight as we shine a light on this underserved field, helping artists feel less alone in their studios and providing a platform for community building and knowledge sharing. Subscribe to The Installation Art Podcast on your favourite podcast app and follow us on Instagram @installationartpodcast to stay updated and connect with fellow enthusiasts. Website: https://installationartpodcast.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/installationartpodcast Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/installationartsociety/

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