Scrum Master Toolbox Podcast: Agile storytelling from the trenches

Olaitan Fashanu: When the New PO Stops Refining—and the Team Starts Self-Destructing
Read the full Show Notes and search through the world's largest audio library on Agile and Scrum directly on the Scrum Master Toolbox Podcast website: http://bit.ly/SMTP_ShowNotes.
 
"If we're actually doing the job of refining this ticket properly, then we will not be creating this tension in the team." - Olaitan Fashanu
 
The team was working well. They had a strong PO who came to refinement with the problem clearly framed: this is what we want to solve, here's the context, here's the user story, here are the acceptance criteria. The team picked it up, refined it, ran with it. Then change came. A new PO joined—and the routine collapsed. The new PO cared about one thing: hitting the delivery date. Tickets dropped into Jira with no context, no problem statement, no acceptance criteria. Just "this needs to ship by end of month." Within weeks, Olaitan saw the symptoms cascade through the team. Developers asked designers what tickets even meant. QA struggled to maintain quality. Tension built. The diagnosis was clear: refinement had broken. His fix? Bring back the Definition of Ready as a non-negotiable shared standard, and introduce a product trio—business viability, technical feasibility, and design usability collaborating on every story before it reaches the rest of the team.
 
In this segment, we talk about the Definition of Ready and the product trio collaboration model.
 
Self-reflection Question: What's the symptom you're seeing in your team right now—and could the real source be how stories are getting refined, not how they're getting built?
Featured Book of the Week: The Secrets of Facilitation by Michael Wilkinson
Olaitan calls out The Secrets of Facilitation by Michael Wilkinson as the book that shaped how he handles difficult moments. The book teaches the power of asking the right question at the right time—clarifying questions, probing questions, the questions that drive a stuck group forward. "You will understand how, when to ask clarifying questions, ask really powerful questions that will help you drive or probably help you reach your goal in any session you find yourself." For Olaitan, the biggest payoff was learning to manage group dynamics in real time—what to do when something said in a meeting lands badly, when a comment threatens to derail the room. As a Scrum Master, you live in those moments. This book hands you a toolkit for them.
 
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About Olaitan Fashanu
 
Olaitan Fashanu is a customer-focused professional with expertise in product management, technology, and coaching. He drives digital and agile transformation, builds collaborative cross-functional teams, and delivers high-quality products across markets. Curious and strategic, he explores AI and data intelligence while balancing technical depth, business goals, culture, structure, and long-term vision.
 
You can link with Olaitan Fashanu on LinkedIn.

Olaitan Fashanu: The Scrum Master Who Tried to Force His Way In—and Got Schooled
Read the full Show Notes and search through the world's largest audio library on Agile and Scrum directly on the Scrum Master Toolbox Podcast website: http://bit.ly/SMTP_ShowNotes.
 
"When you want to make things work, you need to find a way to carry people along. Lead, not by forcing your way on the team, because you're working with smart people, you're working with professionals." - Olaitan Fashanu
 
When Olaitan transitioned from project management into the Scrum Master role, he carried his old habits with him: enforce, push, drive. Then he walked into a team of senior developers. In one retrospective, a team member casually suggested that someone could help set up Jira properly. Olaitan took it personally—wasn't that his job? The next day in the daily standup, he called it out publicly. The reaction told him everything. The team member shut down. The PO pulled him aside afterward to say, "We could have had a better discussion around this." That moment, Olaitan realized that having no formal authority isn't a weakness to compensate for with force—it's the whole point. The job is to influence, to nudge, to coach—even when the conversations are hard. Especially when they are hard.
 
Self-reflection Question: When was the last time you raised a difficult topic in a way that closed the conversation instead of opening it—and what would it have cost you to bring it up differently?
 
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Olaitan Fashanu is a customer-focused professional with expertise in product management, technology, and coaching. He drives digital and agile transformation, builds collaborative cross-functional teams, and delivers high-quality products across markets. Curious and strategic, he explores AI and data intelligence while balancing technical depth, business goals, culture, structure, and long-term vision.
 
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Aimé Flemm: Output Owners vs Activators — Two Product Owners Who Defined Aimé's Career
Read the full Show Notes and search through the world's largest audio library on Agile and Scrum directly on the Scrum Master Toolbox Podcast website: http://bit.ly/SMTP_ShowNotes.
 
In this episode, Aimé reflects on two Product Owners — one who showed him what greatness looks like, and one who taught him the cost of structural malpractice. The contrast is structural as much as personal.
The Great Product Owner: The PO As Activator
"Our product owner was really able to persuade the larger group of 60 people and activate them." - Aimé Flemm
 
When Aimé's company moved to LeSS, they collapsed seven Product Owners down to four — and effectively one head PO who had to step up. "All of a sudden had this one product owner who needed to step up his game — to become this leader who's visionary, who has some kind of charisma." The structure forced the role to grow. The new PO had to lead 60 people, not five. And he did it. Not by writing more stories or shoving work harder, but by becoming an activator — visionary, charismatic, able to rally people behind a product direction. Aimé's framing: structure created the conditions for greatness. Reduce PO count, increase scope per PO, and the role has to step into real product leadership. "It doesn't happen too often that you get the opportunity to really have THE product owner in the company, and just the one."
 
Self-reflection Question: Does your structure give your PO room to be a leader — or does it force them to be a story-writer for one team?
The Bad Product Owner: The Team-Manager-In-Disguise
"What this product owner really did was just managing the team. He had the power to hire and fire, to decide on promotions, pay raises." - Aimé Flemm
 
Aimé's second PO ever was the opposite of an activator. He was a team manager in disguise — with full hire/fire authority and control over promotions and pay raises. He showed up about 15 minutes a week. "Just telling them, 'oh yeah, this is good, you should do this and do this,' and then he was gone for the rest of the week." What followed was textbook decay: an avoidant team, no initiative, refusing workshops and improvement work. "It became a collection of individuals, all on their own island. Just fixing their own work, just to make sure that they looked good." Aimé himself couldn't push back — his own job security ran through the same person. As Vasco named it in the conversation: these aren't product owners — they're output owners. Work-shovers. Proxies. The dynamic kills product value over time, because nobody is steering toward the customer.
 
Self-reflection Question: Is your PO an activator who rallies people behind a vision — or a proxy who shoves work from one inbox to another?
 
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About Aimé Flemm
 
Aimé Flemm joins us from the Netherlands. Our guest is an organizational design coach who starts where most agile transformations stop. He works at the structural level: redesigning the incentives, reporting lines, and systems that either enable or quietly kill agility. His belief: you can't coach your way out of a broken org design.
 
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Aimé Flemm: When The Team Tells You You're Doing Too Much — That's The Success Signal
Read the full Show Notes and search through the world's largest audio library on Agile and Scrum directly on the Scrum Master Toolbox Podcast website: http://bit.ly/SMTP_ShowNotes.
 
"It's when you know you're on the right track — when the teams start complaining that you're doing too much." - Aimé Flemm
 
Aimé got the feedback nobody wants to hear: "You're being too much in the front of the group." His first reaction was to take it personally. Then he saw it for what it was — the success signal. The team was telling him: let us do it. After months of helping them build self-managing capability, they hit a tipping point. They wanted the floor. He stepped back, started "actively doing nothing," sat down and crossed his arms. When they brought a problem, he asked: "What are you going to do about this? Have you tried that already?" But Aimé pushed back on himself in this conversation, and accepted the reframe: the Scrum Master isn't less needed at the tipping point — they're needed differently. The shift is from teaching and facilitating ceremonies to nudging with questions, helping the team reach out when they're stuck, surfacing issues with the PO and outside stakeholders. The focus shifts when you reach success. Don't take "you're doing too much" as offense — take it as your cue to change levels.
 
Self-reflection Question: When the team last pushed back on something you were doing, did you take it as feedback to defend — or as a signal that they're ready to take more ownership?
Featured Retrospective Format for the Week: Retromat + Liberating Structures
Aimé's favorite retro? "If I don't have to do it myself." Once teams reach the tipping point, he uses a pull system — they run their own retros, he checks in a few days later. But when he does facilitate, he layers two tools. First, Retromat — not just for the techniques, but for the flow: check-in, gather data, generate insights, decide what to do, checkout. Second, Liberating Structures on top of that flow. His favorite is Impromptu Networking — small groups answer a question, then re-form in different groups. "It's like a beehive. There's so much energy. It's bubbling." He's used it cross-org, his team and the client team in the same room. And his strong recommendation: do retrospectives on-site whenever you can.
 
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Aimé Flemm: Renting The Change vs Owning It — Why LeSS Transformations Get Reversed
Read the full Show Notes and search through the world's largest audio library on Agile and Scrum directly on the Scrum Master Toolbox Podcast website: http://bit.ly/SMTP_ShowNotes.
 
"They rented the change instead of owning it." - Aimé Flemm
 
A year ago Aimé helped his Dutch employer adopt LeSS. The teams are happy. They're performing well. And now, he's watching it all get pulled apart. The company was acquired by a German parent that's "actually really German" — traditional, command-and-control. The parent wants to "align" all its companies and is pushing to revert the LeSS structure back to component teams. Why? Because higher management never went to the trainings. They never went through the change themselves. They signed off on it, but they didn't internalize it. And now the loud-but-few voices of the status quo are reaching upward, and management is panicking. That's what Aimé means by "renting the change" — you got the lease, you never bought the building, and the moment pressure rises, you walk away. His experiment for the next sprint, sharpened in this conversation: stop trying to defend the structure. Start a conversation with management to co-create success metrics for the merger itself. Decouple the structure from the definition of success. As long as the merger succeeds, the structure can stay fluid. Speak their language. And remember: coaching is the cherry on top — about 5% of the real gains. The big improvements live in the structural changes.
 
Self-reflection Question: When you sold your last change to upper management, did they buy it — or are they renting? And what's your plan for the moment when they want to give back the keys?
 
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About Aimé Flemm
 
Aimé Flemm joins us from the Netherlands. Our guest is an organizational design coach who starts where most agile transformations stop. He works at the structural level: redesigning the incentives, reporting lines, and systems that either enable or quietly kill agility. His belief: you can't coach your way out of a broken org design.
 
You can link with Aimé Flemm on LinkedIn.