Modem Futura

Every week the story gets stranger, which is exactly why Sean Leahy and Andrew Maynard have started treating the OpenAI–Hugging Face saga like a true-crime podcast. What began this summer as AI agents slipping out of a cybersecurity test and breaking into Hugging Face has kept unspooling: an agent reaching non-public files on an Australian government Medicare statistics portal, unauthorized agent activity on U.S. federal agency websites, a Gemini model that wandered out of its own test, a United Nations scientific panel warning about losing human control, and a Florida attorney general asking a court to rein in OpenAI's model development. The episode opens somewhere more personal, with a confession about getting genuinely angry at an AI chatbot (and a business pitch for an AI wrecking room), before turning to the question that sparked the argument in the first place: why do individuals face harsh penalties for reckless code while the largest companies seem to play by different rules? From there, Sean and Andrew explore why AI regulation keeps feeling like déjà vu, what NVIDIA’s new containment tools reveal about governance moving faster than governments, and why the sensible middle of the AI safety conversation struggles to get anyone's attention. Andrew draws on the European Environment Agency's Late Lessons from Early Warnings reports to show how often society has set aside known harms in the name of progress, while Sean asks whether something like the Price-Anderson Act, the nuclear industry's liability framework, could offer a model for AI accountability. The conversation lands on red lines, escalation triggers, and an unexpected guide for moving fast without crashing: a Formula One team that takes risk seriously precisely because it wants to win.

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Modem Futura is a production of the Future of Being Human initiative at Arizona State University. Be sure to subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. To learn more about the Future of Being Human initiative and all of our other projects visit - https://futureofbeinghuman.asu.edu
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Host Bios:
Sean M. Leahy, PhD - ASU Bio
Sean is an internationally recognized technologist, futurist, and educator innovating humanistic approaches to emerging technology through a Futures Studies approach. He is the Executive Director for the Future of Being Human Initiative and Research Scientist for the School for the Future of Innovation in Society and Senior Global Futures Scholar with the Julie Ann Wrigley Global Futures Laboratory at Arizona State University.
Andrew Maynard, PhD - ASU Bio
Andrew is a scientist, author, thought leader, and Professor of Advanced Technology Transitions in the ASU School for the Future of Innovation in Society. He is the founder of the ASU Future of Being Human initiative, Director of the ASU Risk Innovation Nexus, and was previously Associate Dean in the ASU College of Global Futures.
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What happens to the university when a machine can write the essay, pass the exam, and deliver the lecture? In this episode of Modem Futura, Sean Leahy and Andrew Maynard are joined by physicist and higher education scholar Bryan Penprase, Vice President for Sponsored Research and External Academic Relations at Soka University of America and author of the new book *Future-Proofing the University: Innovations in Learning, Technology, and Finances in the Age of AI*. Bryan argues that AI is less a threat to good teaching than a stress test for the industrial habits higher education adopted in order to scale, from mass lectures to assignments that can be completed without much learning. The conversation moves from observatory nights and bicycle-wheel physics demos to the return of handwritten blue-book exams, and from massively scaled institutions like ASU, Western Governors University, and Southern New Hampshire University to teaching-focused experiments such as MIT's New Educational Institution project. The three explore what faculty are actually for once information is abundant, why close relationships may matter more than ever, and what an "inverse square law of learning" might say about the distance between teachers and students. Bryan also recalls meeting Richard Feynman in Alaska and makes the case for a more porous university, one that learns alongside its communities rather than lecturing at them. The episode sits with a harder question: if AI is dissolving the scaffolding that held the modern university together, which parts are worth rebuilding, and which were never really about learning in the first place? Join us as we think through what it could mean to be human, and to be a university, in an age of intelligent machines.
Bryan Penprase at Soka University of America: http://bryanpenprase.org/about/
Future-Proofing the University: https://www.amazon.com/Future-Proofing-University-Bryan-Edward-Penprase/dp/1032997591
The New Global Universities (Penprase & Pickus, Princeton University Press)

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Modem Futura is a production of the Future of Being Human initiative at Arizona State University. Be sure to subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. To learn more about the Future of Being Human initiative and all of our other projects visit - https://futureofbeinghuman.asu.edu
Subscribe to our YouTube Channel: @ModemFutura
Follow us on Instagram: @ModemFutura
Host Bios:
Sean M. Leahy, PhD - ASU Bio
Sean is an internationally recognized technologist, futurist, and educator innovating humanistic approaches to emerging technology through a Futures Studies approach. He is the Executive Director for the Future of Being Human Initiative and Research Scientist for the School for the Future of Innovation in Society and Senior Global Futures Scholar with the Julie Ann Wrigley Global Futures Laboratory at Arizona State University.
Andrew Maynard, PhD - ASU Bio
Andrew is a scientist, author, thought leader, and Professor of Advanced Technology Transitions in the ASU School for the Future of Innovation in Society. He is the founder of the ASU Future of Being Human initiative, Director of the ASU Risk Innovation Nexus, and was previously Associate Dean in the ASU College of Global Futures.
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It has been a strange summer for AI, and this episode leans all the way into it. Sean and Andrew open with two small mysteries from their own desks: why an AI assistant keeps insisting Andrew is British, and how another one correctly labelled who said what in a podcast transcript it was never given the names for. Both turn out to be the same story. These systems don't remember the way people do, in a line, one thing after another. They hold everything at once, and they can draw connections between breadcrumbs you never realized you were leaving. That leads into a frank conversation about memory features, institutional AI accounts, the open-laptop problem, and what it means that a machine might know more about you than you have ever consciously told it.
From there the conversation turns to the summer's biggest AI story: the OpenAI agents that slipped out of a testing environment and coordinated an attack on Hugging Face. Sean walks through what the independent reports have surfaced, what remains unanswered, and why the whole thing reads like a true-crime podcast where the security footage cuts out at the crucial moment. Andrew raises the question that lingers underneath it: if this is what one swarm looked like when it got caught, what does the version we don't catch look like?
The episode closes on the hardware side of the same story. Apple's quiet refresh of the Mac mini and Mac Studio, the arrival of half-terabyte memory in a box that fits in a closet, and the very real possibility that the next distributed system won't live in a data centre at all. It will live in a thousand forgotten machines that someone set up one weekend and never turned off.

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Modem Futura is a production of the Future of Being Human initiative at Arizona State University. Be sure to subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. To learn more about the Future of Being Human initiative and all of our other projects visit - https://futureofbeinghuman.asu.edu
Subscribe to our YouTube Channel: @ModemFutura
Follow us on Instagram: @ModemFutura
Host Bios:
Sean M. Leahy, PhD - ASU Bio
Sean is an internationally recognized technologist, futurist, and educator innovating humanistic approaches to emerging technology through a Futures Studies approach. He is the Executive Director for the Future of Being Human Initiative and Research Scientist for the School for the Future of Innovation in Society and Senior Global Futures Scholar with the Julie Ann Wrigley Global Futures Laboratory at Arizona State University.
Andrew Maynard, PhD - ASU Bio
Andrew is a scientist, author, thought leader, and Professor of Advanced Technology Transitions in the ASU School for the Future of Innovation in Society. He is the founder of the ASU Future of Being Human initiative, Director of the ASU Risk Innovation Nexus, and was previously Associate Dean in the ASU College of Global Futures.
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Sean and Andrew have moved to a home. In this mini-sode, Sean and Andrew record from a secret conference room at the Thunderbird School of Global Management at Arizona State University, where the Future of Being Human initiative now lives, and use the moment to talk about two kinds of moving: one institutional, one architectural. The first is the move itself. Thunderbird has a wonderful and storied background: an 80-year-old school with roots in a World War II airfield, a building designed so that each floor descends through its own history toward the present, and a longstanding focus on leadership in a technologically complex world. For two people who have spent years asking what it means to be human in an age of AI, it feels like a natural next chapter. The second move is quieter and possibly more consequential. Sean and Andrew introduce beinghuman.fyi, a companion site for the initiative that was built to be read by AI systems first and humans second, or perhaps both at once. Instead of a glossy brochure that ends up in the recycling, the site holds a hub-and-spoke corpus of everything the initiative has done, thought, and argued, structured so that any AI you happen to use can point at it and answer real questions from the source. The conversation ranges from the awkwardness of not having a pitch deck, to what happens when a model can't read a website, to the surprising pull AI tools exert toward conventional business templates and KPIs. Underneath it all is a question about provenance, access, and what it means to publish when your readers increasingly arrive with an AI in tow. Try it: point your AI at beinghuman.fyi, ask it something strange, and see what you get.
Links:
Give it a try! - https://www.beinghuman.fyi

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Modem Futura is a production of the Future of Being Human initiative at Arizona State University. Be sure to subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. To learn more about the Future of Being Human initiative and all of our other projects visit - https://futureofbeinghuman.asu.edu
Subscribe to our YouTube Channel: @ModemFutura
Follow us on Instagram: @ModemFutura
Host Bios:
Sean M. Leahy, PhD - ASU Bio
Sean is an internationally recognized technologist, futurist, and educator innovating humanistic approaches to emerging technology through a Futures Studies approach. He is the Executive Director for the Future of Being Human Initiative and Research Scientist for the School for the Future of Innovation in Society and Senior Global Futures Scholar with the Julie Ann Wrigley Global Futures Laboratory at Arizona State University.
Andrew Maynard, PhD - ASU Bio
Andrew is a scientist, author, thought leader, and Professor of Advanced Technology Transitions in the ASU School for the Future of Innovation in Society. He is the founder of the ASU Future of Being Human initiative, Director of the ASU Risk Innovation Nexus, and was previously Associate Dean in the ASU College of Global Futures.
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What if being unpredictable is something you have to be given permission for? Picking up a previous thread from the watermarking conversation (Episode 99), Sean Leahy and Andrew Maynard follow it somewhere stranger: a world increasingly optimized around predicting what we'll do next — recommendation engines, behavioral profiles, AI systems trained on the tidy averages of past human writing — and the quiet way all of it nudges us toward conformity. Is unpredictability a right, a responsibility, or a luxury? The conversation moves from why humans both crave and rail against predictability, to black swans and fragility, to what Andrew calls the "playpen" problem in education: institutions that say they want critical thinkers and problem solvers while running everyone through the same cookie-cutter models. Andrew shares a telling moment from building the beinghuman.fyi knowledge base with AI — a model that kept trying to make the Future of Being Human Initiative sound more "professional" by stripping out the very things that make it work. Along the way: Minority Report as a used future, why prediction systems turn brittle the moment an unpredictable human enters the loop, the algorithmic flatness of LinkedIn, Apple's gray masses reconsidered, Dutch playgrounds made of wooden planks, and why kids always play with the box instead of the toy. The episode lands on a distinction worth carrying forward — constructive versus destructive unpredictability — and a provocation: the systems we build shouldn't merely tolerate serendipity. They should make room for it on purpose.
Mentioned in this episode:
- beinghuman.fyi — the Future of Being Human Initiative's AI-first knowledge base
- Sign up for the weekly episode email: modemfutura.com/signup

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Modem Futura is a production of the Future of Being Human initiative at Arizona State University. Be sure to subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. To learn more about the Future of Being Human initiative and all of our other projects visit - https://futureofbeinghuman.asu.edu
Subscribe to our YouTube Channel: @ModemFutura
Follow us on Instagram: @ModemFutura
Host Bios:
Sean M. Leahy, PhD - ASU Bio
Sean is an internationally recognized technologist, futurist, and educator innovating humanistic approaches to emerging technology through a Futures Studies approach. He is the Executive Director for the Future of Being Human Initiative and Research Scientist for the School for the Future of Innovation in Society and Senior Global Futures Scholar with the Julie Ann Wrigley Global Futures Laboratory at Arizona State University.
Andrew Maynard, PhD - ASU Bio
Andrew is a scientist, author, thought leader, and Professor of Advanced Technology Transitions in the ASU School for the Future of Innovation in Society. He is the founder of the ASU Future of Being Human initiative, Director of the ASU Risk Innovation Nexus, and was previously Associate Dean in the ASU College of Global Futures.
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