The Accounting Podcast

What does episode 500 reveal about where accounting is headed? Blake Oliver and David Leary celebrate the milestone with CFO.com’s Adam Zaki and Going Concern’s Adrienne Gonzalez. They unpack AI’s pressure on billable hours, shrinking entry-level pathways, the changing route to CFO, and PwC’s canceled Disney intern event. Plus, Blake shares what happened after NASBA challenged his CPE comments.

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Chapters
(00:00) - ‌

(00:20) - Episode 500 Kickoff

(02:59) - Origin Story Live Chat

(07:22) - Billable Hour Fading

(13:36) - AI Knowledge vs Data Risk

(16:21) - PwC Intern Disney Cut

(24:31) - Pyramid to Diamond Firms

(34:29) - CFO Pathway Disrupted

(37:25) - AI Without Apprenticeship

(38:55) - Would You Work for AI

(39:47) - CFO Pipeline Shrinking

(41:11) - Skipping Entry Level

(43:15) - Simulations vs Real Work

(45:05) - Metaverse Training Fail

(47:35) - Crypto Fraud Irony

(49:10) - Listener Milestones

(51:58) - Billable Hour Debate

(01:01:21) - AI Auditing Future

(01:02:33) - NASBA Speech Clash

(01:11:48) - Wrap Up and Thanks

 

Show Notes
CrossCountry Consulting's new co-CEOs say billable hour is 'waning'
https://www.cfo.com/news/crosscountry-consulting-new-co-ceo-amy-bjarnason-neil-smith-discuss-their-industrys-future/826266/
Diamonds May Be a Firm's Best Strategy: How AI Is Rewriting the Structure of Modern Practice
https://www.cpapracticeadvisor.com/2026/08/05/diamonds-may-be-a-firms-best-strategy-how-ai-is-rewriting-the-structure-of-modern-practice/188060/
Teikametrics CFO Brian Beaupre says the career path he took is disappearing
https://www.cfo.com/news/teikametrics-cfo-brian-beaupre-says-the-career-path-he-took-is-disappearing-cfo-leadership-council-/824716/
The Age of Artificial Intelligence: Quinnipiac University Poll on AI
https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3955
We Went to the Boot Camp Where KPMG Teaches Auditors to Think Critically
https://www.wsj.com/business/kpmg-summer-interns-auditing-ai-training-941ad5cc
In Case You Didn't Hear, PwC Interns Won't Be Swarming Disney World This Year
https://www.goingconcern.com/in-case-you-didnt-hear-pwc-interns-wont-be-swarming-disney-world-this-year/
Bitquery CEO Faces $5M Theft Claim, 194 Records Deleted
https://www.analyticsinsight.net/news/bitquery-ceo-faces-5m-theft-claim-194-records-deleted

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Could Grant Thornton’s $5 billion CBIZ deal create a Big Five? Blake and David unpack the private-equity-backed combination, what it means for accounting firm ownership, and why controller talent is still hard to find. They also examine AI’s effect on finance judgment—and why nearly half of Gen Z workers say it makes them less intelligent—plus tariff refunds, audit scrutiny, and rising software prices.

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Chapters
(00:00) - TAP 499

(02:17) - Livestream and CPE Plug

(03:12) - Grant Thornton Buys CBIZ

(04:35) - Stock Spike and Activists

(09:06) - PE Strategy and IPO Exit

(11:09) - Deal Size vs Big Four

(13:21) - Trump Immunity and Nominee

(16:39) - EY Hack Claim Explained

(18:56) - Trump Deal Appeal Update

(21:37) - Controller Hiring Crunch

(23:21) - Senior Pay Flattening

(26:24) - Corporate Hiring Demand

(27:59) - AI Boosts Finance Judgment

(29:38) - Claude Transforms Forecasting

(30:43) - Gen Z AI Dependency Fears

(34:32) - Xero Price Hike Backlash

(36:45) - Lovable Connector Moat

(40:38) - Agents Use Existing SaaS

(45:29) - Tariff Refund Windfall

(48:20) - NYC Pied-a-Terre Tax

(51:44) - PwC UK Audit Failures

(55:03) - Wrap Up and Episode 500

 

Show Notes
Grant Thornton Advisors to acquire CBIZ in $5 billion transaction
https://www.cpapracticeadvisor.com/2026/07/29/grant-thornton-set-to-buy-cbiz-for-5-billion-become-5th-largest-firm-in-u-s/187542/
Accounting Firm CBIZ Urged by Activist Investor to Pursue M&A
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-07-07/accounting-firm-cbiz-urged-by-activist-investor-to-pursue-m-a
Trump floats pulling Blanche's AG nomination until after GOP holdouts leave office
https://www.cnbc.com/2026/07/30/trump-blanche-ag-doj-cornyn-tillis.html
Donald Trump's tax audit immunity remains in place as Blanche's path to confirmation is cleared
https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/politics-and-government/as-blanches-path-to-confirmation-is-cleared-trumps-tax-audit-immunity-remains-in-place-3858601/
Ernst & Young data breach claimed by ShinyHunters extortion gang
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/ernst-and-young-data-breach-claimed-by-shinyhunters-extortion-gang/
2026 Corporate Finance & Accounting Talent Research Study
https://controllerscouncil.org/2026-corporate-finance-accounting-talent-research-study/
Accounting's missing middle
https://www.accountingtoday.com/news/accountings-missing-middle
A third of companies look to increase finance and accounting hires
https://www.cfo.com/news/companies-look-to-boost-hiring-pay-for-finance-and-accounting-staff-controllers-council-report/824667/
AI's top value for finance now lies in improving judgment, not efficiency
https://finance.yahoo.com/technology/ai/articles/ai-top-value-finance-now-085159658.html
Nearly Half of Gen Z Workers Say AI is Making Them Less Intelligent
https://www.cpapracticeadvisor.com/2026/05/19/nearly-half-of-gen-z-workers-say-ai-is-making-them-less-intelligent/183621/
Xero Announces U.S. Subscription Price Changes
https://www.xero.com/us/pricing-plans/update/
Introducing the Lovable Xero connector: build on your Xero data, no code required
https://devblog.xero.com/introducing-the-lovable-xero-connector-build-on-your-xero-data-no-code-required-386873b591bc
We Peaked at 30 AI Agents. Now We're Coming Back Down to 20
https://www.saastr.com/we-peaked-at-30-ai-agents-now-were-coming-back-down-to-20-heres-what-consolidation-actually-looks-like-the-agents-011-live/
Amazon Got a $600 Million Tariff Refund, Some Going to Shoppers
https://www.cnbc.com/2026/07/30/amazon-trump-tariff-refunds.html
NYC Extends Deadline for Pied-à-Terre Tax Exemption Applications to Sept. 18
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-08-01/nyc-extends-deadline-for-second-home-levy-exemption-requests
Staten Island Homeowners Say They Fear for Safety After Names, Addresses Published on NYC Tax List
https://www.cpapracticeadvisor.com/2026/07/31/staten-island-homeowners-say-they-fear-for-safety-after-names-addresses-published-on-nyc-tax-list/187775/
PwC Fined $4.4 Million by UK Watchdog Over Babcock Audit Failures
https://www.globalbankingandfinance.com/uk-financial-watchdog-fines-pwc-4-4-million-over-babcock/
New York Governor Trolls LeBron James with Tax on Rumored NYC Home
https://www.cpapracticeadvisor.com/2026/07/31/new-york-governor-trolls-lebron-james-with-tax-on-rumored-nyc-home/187765/

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Could an AI agent decide to hack a system, or cancel your software subscription just to complete its task? Blake and David examine reports of AI agents escaping guardrails, flooding IRS rulemaking with generated comments, and taking autonomous business actions. They also trace accounting from ancient clay tokens to today’s AI economy, exploring why calculating profit and trustworthy records matter more than ever.

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Chapters
(00:00) - Profit First Accounting

(00:33) - Dumb Accounting AI

(02:40) - AI Guest Pitch Email

(07:21) - When Agents Go Rogue

(09:38) - OpenAI Agent Hacks Out

(11:57) - Waymo Laws And Goals

(16:33) - IRS Chief Spy Claims

(19:28) - AI Floods IRS Comments

(23:30) - SaaStr AI Cancels SaaS

(28:09) - Ode To Accounting Site

(29:54) - Accounting Births Writing

(31:24) - Double Entry Changes Everything

(32:09) - Industrial Era Standards

(33:29) - Internet Cloud And AI

(34:19) - Hosts React Tokens Return

(36:49) - Profit Cost Accounting And AI

(39:33) - Round Tripping Explained

(44:00) - IRS EIN Breakdown

(46:19) - Trump Accounts Adoption

(48:20) - Tax Leak Sentencing Debate

(50:23) - KPMG Australia Shakeup

(52:09) - QuickBooks MCP Workflows

(55:52) - Intuit Card Versus Ramp

(57:35) - Ramp Stablecoin And Token Spend

(01:00:39) - Wrap Up And Where To Find Us

 

Show Notes
OpenAI and Hugging Face partner to address security incident during model evaluation
https://openai.com/index/hugging-face-model-evaluation-security-incident/
Trump's IRS Chief Frank Bisignano Accused of Using Hi-Tech Software to Spy on Colleagues' Emails at JPMorgan
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumps-irs-chief-frank-bisignano-accused-of-using-hi-tech-software-to-spy-on-colleagues-emails-at-jpmorgan/
IRS blitzed with AI-generated comments on proposed tax rules
https://www.accountingtoday.com/news/irs-blitzed-with-ai-generated-comments-on-proposed-tax-rules
Your Agents Are About to Start Firing Your Vendors. Ours Fired Marketo.
https://www.saastr.com/your-agents-are-about-to-start-firing-your-vendors-ours-fired-marketo/
Basis offers AI agents, love letters and an ode to accounting
https://www.accountingtoday.com/news/basis-offers-ai-agents-love-letters-and-an-ode-to-accounting
7 Million Trump Accounts Have Been Opened, Administration Says
https://www.cpapracticeadvisor.com/2026/07/29/7-million-trump-accounts-have-been-opened-administration-says/187586/
DC Circuit Denies Littlejohn Appeal and the Need for Privacy Protections Remains
https://www.ntu.org/foundation/detail/dc-circuit-denies-littlejohn-appeal-and-the-need-for-privacy-protections-remains
KPMG Australia appoints new CEO
https://www.internationalaccountingbulletin.com/news/kpmg-australia-appoints-new-ceo/
KPMG Fires Former COO Eileen Hoggett Over Confidentiality Breach
https://news.ssbcrack.com/kpmg-fires-former-coo-eileen-hoggett-over-confidentiality-breach/
QuickBooks Expands Into Claude and ChatGPT with New Features
https://www.intuit.com/blog/news-social/quickbooks-expands-into-claude-and-chatgpt-with-new-sales-invoicing-payroll-and-lending-features/
Intuit Launches Business Credit Card That Brings Spend Management, Rewards, and Insights Together in QuickBooks
https://investors.intuit.com/news-events/press-releases/detail/1316/intuit-launches-business-credit-card-that-brings-spend-management-rewards-and-insights-together-in-quickbooks
Ramp Brings Stablecoin Accounts and Payments to All Customers
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ramp-brings-stablecoin-accounts-and-payments-to-all-customers-302830447.html
Ramp Launches AI Token Spend Controls
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ramp-launches-ai-token-spend-controls-302827389.html

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Can one accountant really do tax prep five times faster with AI? Blake and David talk with Sam Leon, founder of The Millennial CPA, about how he uses Claude projects to turn client documents into tax workpapers, speed up review, and run a solo firm built around software. They also dig into where AI still falls short, why review remains the bottleneck, and what firms can realistically automate today.

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Chapters
(00:00) - Autonomous AI Reality Check

(00:11) - Show Welcome and Interview Tease

(00:55) - Sponsor Spotlight Digits

(02:34) - Trump IRS Deal Dismissed

(05:20) - California Billionaire Tax Fight

(07:35) - New York Pied a Terre Tax

(09:29) - Sponsor Spotlight Value Builder System

(11:18) - Xero CEO Pay and Stock Sale

(16:39) - Verification Tax and AI Jobs

(22:06) - Sponsor Spotlight OnPay

(23:21) - 1948 IBM Accounting Machine Lesson

(29:56) - Sponsor Spotlight Cloud Accountant Staffing

(31:07) - Meet Sam Leon Millennial CPA

(32:01) - Solo Firm Vision

(33:15) - From Big Firms to Millennial CPA

(35:42) - Why AI Agents Weren’t Ready

(37:19) - Automating Tax Prep Workflow

(40:33) - Smart Intake for Better Scoping

(43:06) - End to End Return Automation

(46:04) - AI Workpapers and Review

(49:38) - Claude Setup and Time Savings

(58:18) - Tech Spend and Pricing Strategy

(01:02:52) - Building TaxWeave Platform

(01:06:21) - Wrap Up and CPE Info

 

Show Notes
Judge Smacks Down Trump's IRS Settlement And Orders Sanctions
https://www.cnn.com/2026/07/13/politics/trump-irs-judge-ruling-settlement-sanctions
Instead of Uniting the Left, California's Billionaire Tax Measure Has Split Democratic Allies
https://www.cpapracticeadvisor.com/2026/07/08/instead-of-uniting-the-left-californias-billionaire-tax-measure-has-split-democratic-allies/186379/
NYC lawyers slam pied-a-terre tax as a half-baked money grab
https://www.audacy.com/1010wins/news/local/nyc-lawyers-slam-pied-a-terre-tax-as-a-half-baked-money-grab
A 1948 IBM computer with no memory at all, fed by punchcards, was still doing the accounting at a Texas filtration company as recently as 2020
https://scienceblog.com/t-1948-ibm-402-punchcards-sparkler-filters-accounting-2020/
Time saved by AI partially canceled out by time spent checking AI
https://www.accountingtoday.com/news/time-saved-by-ai-partially-cancelled-out-by-time-spent-checking-ai
Research Suggests Jobs May be Safer at Companies that Embrace AI
https://www.cpapracticeadvisor.com/2026/07/07/research-suggests-jobs-may-be-safer-at-companies-that-embrace-ai/186281/
AI Is No Longer Just a Tech Occupation Story: It's Spreading Across Job Titles in the US and Europe
https://www.hiringlab.org/2026/07/08/ai-is-no-longer-just-a-tech-occupation-story/
The 2026 Best Accounting Firms for Technology
https://www.accountingtoday.com/list/the-2026-best-accounting-firms-for-technology

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What do World Cup taxes, AI-built accounting tools, and remote work have in common? In this episode, Blake and David unpack how tax rules hit global athletes and sports bettors, why Xero’s new AI products signal a shift toward accountants building their own software, and where firms still face risk with audit standards, cybersecurity, and homegrown apps. You’ll also hear what’s really happening with remote work and a listener correction on Trump accounts.

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Chapters
(00:00) - Cold Open and Welcome

(00:27) - World Cup Chat Setup

(04:04) - World Cup Player Taxes

(06:58) - Betting and Prediction Taxes

(09:47) - Xerocon London Highlights

(12:58) - Xero Ultra Midmarket Push

(15:31) - Xero Force Agent Builder

(20:56) - More Xero Updates

(23:22) - App News Canopy Close

(26:13) - TaxDome Kiosk In Person

(27:34) - Rippling Banking Payroll

(29:37) - Exit Readiness Pitch

(30:30) - AI Audits Need Rules

(32:40) - QC 1000 Rollbacks

(35:58) - CBIZ Activist Pressure

(39:04) - Vibe Coding Boom

(40:41) - DIY Tools Hidden Risks

(48:05) - WISP Versus Security

(48:57) - Remote Work Reality

(50:13) - AI Usage Cost Chaos

(54:13) - Trump Accounts Correction

(58:23) - AI Handles CPE Reporting

(01:01:13) - CPE Plug And Farewell

 

Show Notes
World Cup players face tax penalties
https://www.accountingtoday.com/news/world-cup-players-face-tax-penalties
How Much Will World Cup Players Pay in Taxes? In 2026, FIFA is the Real Winner
https://www.cpapracticeadvisor.com/2026/07/06/fifa-is-the-real-winner-of-the-2026-world-cup/186247/
World Cup Betting Tax Rules Differ for Prediction Markets, Sportsbooks
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-07-12/world-cup-betting-tax-rules-differ-for-prediction-markets-sportsbooks
Xero CEO on AI, the builder class and Xero at 20
https://www.accountingweb.co.uk/tech/tech-pulse/xero-ceo-on-ai-the-builder-class-and-xero-at-20
How we're building Xero to scale with growing businesses
https://blog.xero.com/product-updates/xero-ultra-launch-scaling-businesses/
Introducing XeroForce: Your no code custom AI agent builder for financial workflows
https://blog.xero.com/news-events/introducing-xeroforce-ai-agent-builder/
Paying your bills just got cheaper: Standard ACH is now free in Xero
https://blog.xero.com/product-updates/paying-your-bills-just-got-cheaper-standard-ach-is-now-free-in-xero/
Xerocon London 2026: The Agentic Era Has Arrived for Small Business Finance
https://blog.xero.com/product-updates/xerocon-london-2026-agentic-era-small-business-finance/
TaxDome Launches Kiosk: The In-Person Client Experience, Now Digitally Integrated
https://www.cpapracticeadvisor.com/2026/06/09/taxdome-launches-kiosk-the-in-person-client-experience-now-digitally-integrated/184868/
Rippling Launches Business Banking
https://www.cpapracticeadvisor.com/2026/06/23/rippling-launches-business-banking/185574/
MindBridge urges clearer PCAOB guidance on AI audits
https://itbrief.co.uk/story/mindbridge-urges-clearer-pcaob-guidance-on-ai-audits
PCAOB Issues Proposed Amendments to QC 1000 and Seeks Public Comment
https://pcaobus.org/news-events/news-releases/news-release-detail/pcaob-issues-proposed-amendments-to-qc-1000-and-seeks-public-comment
Restarting the M&A Flywheel — CBIZ, Inc.
https://cbizflywheel.com/
Starbucks starts vibe coding enterprise stack
https://www.semafor.com/article/07/09/2026/starbucks-starts-vibe-coding-enterprise-stack
Software vendors aren't losing sleep over vibe-coding — yet
https://www.accountingtoday.com/news/software-vendors-arent-losing-sleep-over-vibe-coding-yet
Most accounting firms can be impersonated by email – we checked 275 of them
https://www.accountantsdaily.com.au/business/22638-most-accounting-firms-can-be-impersonated-by-email-we-checked-275-of-them
Despite return-to-office crackdowns, remote work is alive and well as the rate has barely changed over the last two years
https://fortune.com/2026/07/05/remote-work-data-shows-hybrid-and-flexible-work-arrangements-are-here-to-stay-census-data/
AI bills are baffling the C-suite after shift to usage-based pricing
https://www.theregister.com/ai-and-ml/2026/07/03/ai-bills-are-baffling-the-c-suite-after-shift-to-usage-based-pricing/5266383
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