The No Film School Podcast

In this episode recorded live at the Sundance Film Festival, No Film School founder Ryan Koo sits down with Julien and Justen Turner—real-life brothers and co-creators of FreeLance, an indie TV pilot that debuted in the festival’s Episodic Pilot Showcase. The Turner Brothers walk through their journey of building a creative career outside of New York or LA, self-funding their show in Columbus, Ohio, and pulling off a high-production-value pilot in just four days. They talk about their process, influences, and how their authentic, relatable characters came to life through personal experience and community-driven production.

In this episode, No Film School’s Ryan Koo and guests discuss…


The origin of the episodic pilot category at Sundance and its importance for indie creators


How the Turner Brothers’ musical upbringing led to an early love of filmmaking


Their decision to self-fund FreeLance instead of attending Sundance in 2023


Turning real-life freelance filmmaking experiences (like wedding videography chaos) into episodic comedy


Casting comedians, athletes, and non-actors from social media and commercial work


Building a 150-page show bible and planning a multi-season vision


The four-day shoot that captured 41 minutes of content, including an improvised scene in a thrifted basement


How making content in Ohio allowed the show to break traditional industry molds


Advice for filmmakers: choose a date, build your team, and just shoot


The surreal moment of getting the Sundance acceptance call (via their mom!)

Memorable Quotes:


“We kind of realized that the only people we were waiting on was ourselves.”


“The more specific we were, the more universal it was.”


“We shot a 41-minute pilot in four days.”


“This is getting done, and it’s going to be done like this.”

Guests:


Julien Turner


Justen Turner

Resources:


Dreadhead Films on Instagram


dreadheadfilms.com

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This episode of the No Film School Podcast is recorded live from the final Sundance Film Festival in Park City, 2026. GG Hawkins and Ryan Koo are joined by No Film School writer Jo Light and special guest Teddy Kim to share insights and lessons from Sundance. Together, they reflect on what it takes to find true creative collaborators at festivals, how the indie landscape continues to shift, and why human connection still matters more than ever in a rapidly changing industry. The episode includes a game of "Red Flag, Green Flag" and wraps with an interview between Ryan Koo and writer-director Stephanie Ahn, whose feature Bedford Park won the U.S. Dramatic Special Jury Award for Debut Feature at Sundance 2026.

In this episode you'll hear...


How to make the most of Sundance even if you're not actively pitching a project


Why networking at film festivals is more about vibe than résumé


The evolving role of indie production companies balancing studio and independent films


Which films are getting buzz at Sundance 2026 and what the acquisition market looks like


How filmmakers are using episodic pilots and private screenings to get attention


The pros and cons of “networking dinners” and late-night parties like Tao


A playful, practical game of "Red Flag, Green Flag" to decode festival behavior


GG’s and Jo’s favorite short and episodic pilots—and what makes them feel fresh


A deep-dive interview with Bedford Park director Stephanie Ahn about perseverance, editing your own movie, and telling emotionally resonant stories

Memorable Quotes:


“In filmmaking, they often say you better give 10 years of your life… I exceeded that, and Stephanie exceeded that.”


“You have to be very clear about what your intentions are and what the story is going to be. If you maintain an integrity with that, people come.”


“It’s not a matter of whether there is a big headline acquisition… but can a bunch of other movies get acquired for $3 million and have a healthy minimum guarantee?”


“I wanted to make a film that hopefully an audience would actually feel something—genuinely feel something.”

Resources:


Sundance 2026 Award Winners

Guests:


Jo Light


Teddy Kim


Stephanie Ahn

Resources Mentioned:

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In this episode recorded live from the final Sundance Film Festival in Park City, Utah, GG Hawkins is joined by No Film School’s Ryan Koo and Jo Light to commemorate the end of an era. The trio dives into personal memories, the legacy of Robert Redford, and what the future may hold for the festival as it prepares to relocate to Boulder, Colorado. They reflect on how Sundance has supported filmmakers through its labs, how festival culture shapes careers, and the emotional highs and lows of navigating the indie film landscape. GG also shares behind-the-scenes insights from her recent event at Sundance focused on women in the business of film, while offering a candid look at what it really takes to get a film into a top-tier festival.

In this episode, No Film School's GG Hawkins, Ryan Koo, and Jo Light discuss...


What makes Sundance in Park City so special—and why it's bittersweet to say goodbye


The importance of Sundance's labs and the legacy of Robert Redford


The emotional impact of community and connection during film festivals


GG’s first Sundance as a filmmaker with a feature and her reflections on that journey


Advice for filmmakers on submission strategy and post-production polish


What types of films stand out at Sundance today: high-concept, star-driven, or uniquely personal


Highlights from GG’s industry dinner focused on women in the business of film


Thoughts and hopes for the new Sundance location in Boulder, Colorado

Memorable Quotes:


“The old rules don’t apply and the new rules haven’t been written.”


“If it’s not ready, don’t submit yet. Unless Willem Dafoe is in your movie.”


“You’re already 99.9% past the obstacles just by making a movie.”


“Robert Redford used his power to help others.”

Guests:


Ryan Koo


Jo Light

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January is often perceived as a slow month in Hollywood, but in reality it’s one of the most strategic windows of the year for filmmakers. On this episode, GG Hawkins and guests Ana Liza Muravina and John Lamm unpack how the industry “wakes up” in early 2026, what that means for creative careers, and how artists can structure their time, their projects, and their expectations to thrive amid shifting economic and ecosystem forces. From understanding industry seasonality, permission structures, and macro trends in distribution to practical strategies for developing and releasing work, this conversation offers both mindset shifts and concrete guidance for filmmakers navigating careers in the current landscape.

In this episode, No Film School’s GG Hawkins and guests Ana Liza Muravina and John Lamm discuss:


Breaking down the idea of a “Hollywood shutdown” and why January becomes a key moment of restart, planning, and opportunity.


How to contextually plan your writing year and align creative output with industry cycles (inspired by ideas from Final Draft’s annual planning guide).


Why building structure as an independent artist (even without external deadlines) empowers your career and creative focus.


“Permission structures” in the industry — what they are, how they shape opportunity, and how filmmakers can navigate or build them.


The importance of community, cohorts, and trusted feedback systems for career sustainability and perspective.


How macroeconomic forces, consolidation in the streaming market, and attention economy shifts are reshaping how films get financed, distributed, and found.


Practical project strategies — from refining scripts based on audience/readers to building a tailored outreach atlas for producers and executives.


The value of aligning ambition with realistic pathways — creating work you can make now while aiming for larger goals down the line.


Inspiring perspectives on why now may be an era of opportunity for scrappy independent filmmaking.

Memorable Quotes:


“Most filmmakers think January is slow, but quietly it’s one of the most strategic months of the year.”


“It’s one of those weird things … every now and then when I zoom like 10,000 feet back … it’s not necessarily indictment on your art.”


“You see it … LA is the concentration of us. It’s artists who are so good at what they do just waiting for someone to give them permission to do what they do well… And the answer generally is unless you decide to stride and do it yourself, no one gives you permission.”


“Don’t get too bogged down in the how, the strategy … let’s make movies, y’all. Let’s just do it.”

Guests:


Ana Liza Muravina


John Lamm

Resources Mentioned:


The Current: Less Chaos, More Momentum (On the Circuit)


How to Plan Your Entire Screenwriting Year: A Month-by-Month Guide (Final Draft)


Video: Preparing for the Creator Economy Apocalypse (with Chris Gethard)

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In this episode, Charles Haine sits down with documentary co-directors Geneva Peschka and Anna Andersen to discuss their latest project The Solace of Sisterhood, which recently premiered at Tribeca. The conversation dives deep into the ethics of documentary filmmaking, how they found and built trust with their subjects—the Caramel Curves, a New Orleans-based all-female motorcycle club—and how they navigated a successful festival run. From storytelling intention to set culture, the team shares their collaborative journey in bringing vulnerability, softness, and strength to the screen.

In this episode, No Film School's Charles Haine and guests discuss...


How Geneva and Anna met and began their creative partnership


Their journey developing The Solace of Sisterhood and pitching it to Fujifilm


Building trust and a safe space for documentary subjects


How bringing in co-founder True’s daughter, Skye, as a camera operator deepened the film


The evolving importance of ethical statements in festival submissions


Shifting set culture to prioritize respect, connection, and vulnerability


Working with the Fujifilm GFX100 and achieving a cinematic, soft visual tone


The emotional highs and logistical challenges of their festival journey, including premiering at Tribeca

Memorable Quotes:


"It starts for us on set—how people come together and how we approach one another and hold space for each other."


"Documentary inherently asks so much out of our participants... it’s a job you have to do with integrity and with ethics."


"You’re changing who’s telling the story... you’re letting them know they are a part of their narrative, as they should be."


"Filmmaking can be very lonely... but we are each other's strengths."

Guests:


Geneva Peschka


Anna Andersen

Resources:


The Solace of Sisterhood – Tribeca 2024

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